Re: XBR910's have appeared on the Sony site

[Scott G.]

I called Sony and they said they will be shipping these sets in
August. No exact date in August, however.

Scott


On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:20:58 -0600 (MDT),
(Maverick) wrote:

(MrMike) wrote:
>
>>http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfi>nity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInform>ation-Start;sid=r3OMBGkh3aaMHFfbnZyGDyYxiHn>GMKm3ELI=?Catalo
>>gCategoryID=9FcKC0%2eNJEAAAAD1wDArwfjV&>ProductID=L5sKC0%2eNaNQAAAD15IMrwfjc&
>>Dept=tv
>
>Does anyone know when this set will be available? The Sony web site
>doesn't list an exact date.

[Maverick]

(Scott=A0G.) wrote:

>I called Sony and they said they will be shipping
> these sets in August. No exact date in August,
> however.

>Scott

Thanks Scott! August? Damned, I was hoping for July, since I'm currently
on my vacation. :-(

[Livat B. Udokan]

Basically that says they have problems with that model. They were supposed
to be buyable in July.
The question now becomes..ok what was the problem and what did they do to
fix and am I sure I want to buy a lemon?


"Maverick" > wrote in message
...
(Scott G.) wrote:

>I called Sony and they said they will be shipping
> these sets in August. No exact date in August,
> however.

>Scott

Thanks Scott! August? Damned, I was hoping for July, since I'm currently
on my vacation. :-(

[Maverick]

(Livat=A0B.=A0Udokan) wrote:

>Basically that says they have problems with that
> model. They were supposed to be buyable in July. >The question now
becomes..ok what was the
> problem and what did they do to fix and am I sure
> I want to buy a lemon?

I was originally going to purchase the XBR800 last week, until I read
about the XBR910 on the Sony web site, particularly because of the black
cabinet and advanced optics. Now, I'm having a major dilemma on whether
I should wait for the XBR910's or not. Plus, they are going to knock
down the price of the XBR800's.

[Livat B. Udokan]

"Maverick" > wrote in message
...
(Livat B. Udokan) wrote:

>Basically that says they have problems with that
> model. They were supposed to be buyable in July. >The question now
becomes..ok what was the
> problem and what did they do to fix and am I sure
> I want to buy a lemon?

I was originally going to purchase the XBR800 last week, until I read
about the XBR910 on the Sony web site, particularly because of the black
cabinet and advanced optics. Now, I'm having a major dilemma on whether
I should wait for the XBR910's or not. Plus, they are going to knock
down the price of the XBR800's.

Once upon a time a was a great believer in Sony products. Success has made
them complacent it seems. The same level of quality isn't there anymore. All
of the reviews I've read about Sony plasmas have been lukewarm. It does seem
that most everybody loves the Fujitsu 50 though.

In general I was disappointed with the quality of plasma compared with the
picture quality of direct view. If you want a sharp picture, direct view is
still better, IMO. Plasma has all kinds of strange things that detract from
watching the programs. I am considering buying a 910 even though I already
own an 800. I like the idea of getting all that floor space back by hanging
my TV on the wall but plasma still needs to have a few more kinks worked
out. Besides, the price will keep coming down.

[Maverick]

wrote:

>Once upon a time a was a great believer in Sony
> products. Success has made them complacent it
> seems. The same level of quality isn't there
> anymore. All of the reviews I've read about Sony
> plasmas have been lukewarm. It does seem that
> most everybody loves the Fujitsu 50 though.

>In general I was disappointed with the quality of
> plasma compared with the picture quality of direct
> view. If you want a sharp picture, direct view is
> still better, IMO. Plasma has all kinds of strange
> things that detract from watching the programs. I
> am considering buying a 910 even though I
> already own an 800. I like the idea of getting all
> that floor space back by hanging my TV on the
> wall but plasma still needs to have a few more
> kinks worked out. Besides, the price will keep
> coming down.

Yeah, I agree. Plasmas are not perfected yet, and the prices are just
too outrageous at the moment. That's why I decided to stick to
purchasing a direct view widescreen HDTV set. Only problem is, the
suspense of waiting for the 910 is exasperating!

[Scott G.]

I called Sony again. Now they say the XBR910's will be available
later in this month (July).

Scott


On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:33:46 -0600 (MDT),
(Maverick) wrote:

wrote:
>
>>Once upon a time a was a great believer in Sony
>> products. Success has made them complacent it
>> seems. The same level of quality isn't there
>> anymore. All of the reviews I've read about Sony
>> plasmas have been lukewarm. It does seem that
>> most everybody loves the Fujitsu 50 though.
>
>>In general I was disappointed with the quality of
>> plasma compared with the picture quality of direct
>> view. If you want a sharp picture, direct view is
>> still better, IMO. Plasma has all kinds of strange
>> things that detract from watching the programs. I
>> am considering buying a 910 even though I
>> already own an 800. I like the idea of getting all
>> that floor space back by hanging my TV on the
>> wall but plasma still needs to have a few more
>> kinks worked out. Besides, the price will keep
>> coming down.
>
>Yeah, I agree. Plasmas are not perfected yet, and the prices are just
>too outrageous at the moment. That's why I decided to stick to
>purchasing a direct view widescreen HDTV set. Only problem is, the
>suspense of waiting for the 910 is exasperating!

[Rolf]

Anyone know what the list will be for the 34"?? Thanks.
"Livat B. Udokan" > wrote in message
t...
> Sounds like the guy at Sony went onto their website when you called and
> pulled up the press release.
>
>
>
> "Scott G." > wrote in message
> ...
> > I called Sony again. Now they say the XBR910's will be available
> > later in this month (July).
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:33:46 -0600 (MDT),
> > (Maverick) wrote:
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >>Once upon a time a was a great believer in Sony
> > >> products. Success has made them complacent it
> > >> seems. The same level of quality isn't there
> > >> anymore. All of the reviews I've read about Sony
> > >> plasmas have been lukewarm. It does seem that
> > >> most everybody loves the Fujitsu 50 though.
> > >
> > >>In general I was disappointed with the quality of
> > >> plasma compared with the picture quality of direct
> > >> view. If you want a sharp picture, direct view is
> > >> still better, IMO. Plasma has all kinds of strange
> > >> things that detract from watching the programs. I
> > >> am considering buying a 910 even though I
> > >> already own an 800. I like the idea of getting all
> > >> that floor space back by hanging my TV on the
> > >> wall but plasma still needs to have a few more
> > >> kinks worked out. Besides, the price will keep
> > >> coming down.
> > >
> > >Yeah, I agree. Plasmas are not perfected yet, and the prices are just
> > >too outrageous at the moment. That's why I decided to stick to
> > >purchasing a direct view widescreen HDTV set. Only problem is, the
> > >suspense of waiting for the 910 is exasperating!
> >
>
>

[Shaun]

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:14:14 GMT, "Livat B. Udokan"
> wrote:

>Sounds like the guy at Sony went onto their website when you called and
>pulled up the press release.

It should be soon regardless, I was told by a friend of mine a few
weeks back who is a regional manager for a fairly large retail chain
on LI that 75 34Xbr800's were in the warehouse which support 19
stores, no more deliveries from Sony are expected.


>
>
>
>"Scott G." > wrote in message
...
>> I called Sony again. Now they say the XBR910's will be available
>> later in this month (July).
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:33:46 -0600 (MDT),
>> (Maverick) wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Once upon a time a was a great believer in Sony
>> >> products. Success has made them complacent it
>> >> seems. The same level of quality isn't there
>> >> anymore. All of the reviews I've read about Sony
>> >> plasmas have been lukewarm. It does seem that
>> >> most everybody loves the Fujitsu 50 though.
>> >
>> >>In general I was disappointed with the quality of
>> >> plasma compared with the picture quality of direct
>> >> view. If you want a sharp picture, direct view is
>> >> still better, IMO. Plasma has all kinds of strange
>> >> things that detract from watching the programs. I
>> >> am considering buying a 910 even though I
>> >> already own an 800. I like the idea of getting all
>> >> that floor space back by hanging my TV on the
>> >> wall but plasma still needs to have a few more
>> >> kinks worked out. Besides, the price will keep
>> >> coming down.
>> >
>> >Yeah, I agree. Plasmas are not perfected yet, and the prices are just
>> >too outrageous at the moment. That's why I decided to stick to
>> >purchasing a direct view widescreen HDTV set. Only problem is, the
>> >suspense of waiting for the 910 is exasperating!
>>
>

[Maverick]

>It should be soon regardless, I was told by a friend
> of mine a few weeks back who is a regional
> manager for a fairly large retail chain on LI that 75
> 34Xbr800's were in the warehouse which support
> 19 stores, no more deliveries from Sony are
> expected.

The Crutchfield web site is already taking pre-orders for the XBR910,
but won't be available till August 22. No photo yet available, and
judging from the details, it seems like a better system, and not a bad
price either.

http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-6XqetsevcXV/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=6&g=11420&I=15834XB910&o=m&a=0&cc=01&avf=N

[Matthew L. Martin]

Shaun wrote:
>
> The TH-42PHD6UY HD offers a 1024 x 768 XGA resolution
>

Which means that is isn't really an HD display. It's a computer monitor.
The minimum resolution of HDTV is 720p, which is 1280x720.

Matthew

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Thermodynamics For Dummies: You can't win.
You can't break even.
You can't get out of the game.

[Shaun]

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:37:45 GMT, "Matthew L. Martin"
> wrote:

>Shaun wrote:
>>
>> The TH-42PHD6UY HD offers a 1024 x 768 XGA resolution
> >
>
>Which means that is isn't really an HD display. It's a computer monitor.
>The minimum resolution of HDTV is 720p, which is 1280x720.

and my 21" does 2048x1536 but HD sure looks much nicer on my 42"


Your point was ? Let me guess, youre still analog ?

[dizzy]

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:10:50 GMT, "The Spiteful Liar"
> wrote:

>"Matthew L. Martin" > wrote in message
s.com...
>> Shaun wrote:
>> >
>> > The TH-42PHD6UY HD offers a 1024 x 768 XGA resolution
>>
>> Which means that is isn't really an HD display. It's a computer monitor.
>> The minimum resolution of HDTV is 720p, which is 1280x720.
>>
>> Matthew
>
>You can always use Monster Cables to bring the image quality up to HD
>quality.

You're a funny guy.

[Shaun]

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:49:45 GMT, "Rolf" >
wrote:

>They need to look at Philips, Hitachi, and even Sony. They offer
>plasmas that have numerous inputs, built-in speakers, etc....Consumers like
>out of the box functionality, and they love plasma tv's. When Panasonic
>begins to offer models such as these, they will be the #1 plasma
>manufacturer in the world. Until then..................................I
>have my order in for the 34xbr910!!!!

Panasonic offers easy/quick attachable side speakers for all their
plasma's as *every* unit ( consumer or commercial ) has two small
built-in internal amps to drive them. I think for instance the Pioneer
elites have permanent side speakers which wouldn't work for me in my
case. But considering I have 20k in HT equipment and use the
component switching of my Anthem pre amp none of those considerations
came into play anyway. You wouldn't want to bury all that extra wiring
in the wall either if it's avoidable. One set of components, one
svideo for the pre/amp menu, power and all done.

[The Spiteful Liar]

"Shaun" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:49:45 GMT, "Rolf" >
> wrote:
>
> >They need to look at Philips, Hitachi, and even Sony. They offer
> >plasmas that have numerous inputs, built-in speakers, etc....Consumers
like
> >out of the box functionality, and they love plasma tv's. When Panasonic
> >begins to offer models such as these, they will be the #1 plasma
> >manufacturer in the world. Until then..................................I
> >have my order in for the 34xbr910!!!!
>
> Panasonic offers easy/quick attachable side speakers for all their
> plasma's as *every* unit ( consumer or commercial ) has two small
> built-in internal amps to drive them. I think for instance the Pioneer
> elites have permanent side speakers which wouldn't work for me in my
> case. But considering I have 20k in HT equipment and use the
> component switching of my Anthem pre amp none of those considerations
> came into play anyway. You wouldn't want to bury all that extra wiring
> in the wall either if it's avoidable. One set of components, one
> svideo for the pre/amp menu, power and all done.

I DON'T want attached speakers. All I want is the plasma. I have a better
sounsd system than Matthew Martin can even dream about so why would I want
to run the sound through some crappy side speakers? One of the problems with
the new Sony is that you have no option to detach and throw away the junkie
speakers.

[Matthew L. Martin]

Shaun wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:37:45 GMT, "Matthew L. Martin"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Shaun wrote:
>>
>>>The TH-42PHD6UY HD offers a 1024 x 768 XGA resolution
>>>
>>
>>Which means that is isn't really an HD display. It's a computer monitor.
>>The minimum resolution of HDTV is 720p, which is 1280x720.
>
>
> and my 21" does 2048x1536 but HD sure looks much nicer on my 42"
>
>
> Your point was ?

That 1024 x 768 is a computer geometry. 1280 x 720 is an HDTV geoemtry.

Let me guess, youre still analog ?

What does that have to do with the fact that a 1024 x 768 PDP isn't HDTV?

Matthew

--
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Thermodynamics For Dummies: You can't win.
You can't break even.
You can't get out of the game.

[Matthew L. Martin]

The Spiteful Liar wrote:

> "Shaun" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:49:45 GMT, "Rolf" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>They need to look at Philips, Hitachi, and even Sony. They offer
>>>plasmas that have numerous inputs, built-in speakers, etc....Consumers
>
> like
>
>>>out of the box functionality, and they love plasma tv's. When Panasonic
>>>begins to offer models such as these, they will be the #1 plasma
>>>manufacturer in the world. Until then..................................I
>>>have my order in for the 34xbr910!!!!
>>
>>Panasonic offers easy/quick attachable side speakers for all their
>>plasma's as *every* unit ( consumer or commercial ) has two small
>>built-in internal amps to drive them. I think for instance the Pioneer
>>elites have permanent side speakers which wouldn't work for me in my
>>case. But considering I have 20k in HT equipment and use the
>>component switching of my Anthem pre amp none of those considerations
>>came into play anyway. You wouldn't want to bury all that extra wiring
>>in the wall either if it's avoidable. One set of components, one
>>svideo for the pre/amp menu, power and all done.
>
>
> I DON'T want attached speakers. All I want is the plasma. I have a better
> sounsd system than Matthew Martin can even dream about

Really? I'm quite happy with my Onkyo 939 with JBL and mains and
Atlantic surrounds and a 400 watt dual 15" sub. I'm sure there are
systems that sound better to you, but what I have is quite nice.

Matthew

--
<http://www.mlmartin.com/bbq/>

Thermodynamics For Dummies: You can't win.
You can't break even.
You can't get out of the game.

[Drain Bamage]

"Matthew L. Martin" > wrote in message
s.com...
> The Spiteful Liar wrote:
>
> > "Shaun" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:49:45 GMT, "Rolf" >
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>They need to look at Philips, Hitachi, and even Sony. They offer
> >>>plasmas that have numerous inputs, built-in speakers, etc....Consumers
> >
> > like
> >
> >>>out of the box functionality, and they love plasma tv's. When
Panasonic
> >>>begins to offer models such as these, they will be the #1 plasma
> >>>manufacturer in the world. Until
then..................................I
> >>>have my order in for the 34xbr910!!!!
> >>
> >>Panasonic offers easy/quick attachable side speakers for all their
> >>plasma's as *every* unit ( consumer or commercial ) has two small
> >>built-in internal amps to drive them. I think for instance the Pioneer
> >>elites have permanent side speakers which wouldn't work for me in my
> >>case. But considering I have 20k in HT equipment and use the
> >>component switching of my Anthem pre amp none of those considerations
> >>came into play anyway. You wouldn't want to bury all that extra wiring
> >>in the wall either if it's avoidable. One set of components, one
> >>svideo for the pre/amp menu, power and all done.
> >
> >
> > I DON'T want attached speakers. All I want is the plasma. I have a
better
> > sounsd system than Matthew Martin can even dream about
>
> Really? I'm quite happy with my Onkyo 939 with JBL and mains and
> Atlantic surrounds and a 400 watt dual 15" sub. I'm sure there are
> systems that sound better to you, but what I have is quite nice.
>
> Matthew
>

Sure. You think it's quite nice because you don't anything better. You're
like somebody from Nebraska whose idea of fine dining is Mc Donalds. It's
like people who think they are having a barbecue but have no idea what
barbecuing actually is. They go through their whole lives thinking they are
barbecuing because that's what somebody else called it. They go through life
ignorant but content to wallow in their ignorance.

JBL may have had some nice stuff 30 years ago but now they make mostly
over-marketed trashy middle-ware...just like the Japs.
People think it's nice because they simply don't know any better.

This is also the main reason holding back a higher quality medium to replace
the CD. People think that CD sound is "good enough". They just don't realize
how much better things can be.

BTW...true audiophiles will rarely, if ever, have a subwoofer in their
system. It's great though if your idea of intellectual stimulation and the
pinnacle of cinematic art are both Vin Diesel. These are the same sort of
people that think Bose is high fidelity and the last 2 minutes of
Tchaikovsky's 1812 overture is the greatest piece of classical music.

> --
> <http://www.mlmartin.com/bbq/>
>
> Thermodynamics For Dummies: You can't win.
> You can't break even.
> You can't get out of the game.
>

[Matthew L. Martin]

Drain Bamage wrote:

I think you mispelled your name.

>
> Sure. You think it's quite nice because you don't anything better. You're
> like somebody from Nebraska whose idea of fine dining is Mc Donalds. It's
> like people who think they are having a barbecue but have no idea what
> barbecuing actually is. They go through their whole lives thinking they are
> barbecuing because that's what somebody else called it. They go through life
> ignorant but content to wallow in their ignorance.

I can see that you didn't follow the link in my sig.

> JBL may have had some nice stuff 30 years ago but now they make mostly
> over-marketed trashy middle-ware...just like the Japs.
> People think it's nice because they simply don't know any better.

Thank you for your ever so kind comments.

> This is also the main reason holding back a higher quality medium to replace
> the CD. People think that CD sound is "good enough". They just don't realize
> how much better things can be.

Really? Do you have anything that could possibly back up your opinion?

> BTW...true audiophiles will rarely, if ever, have a subwoofer in their
> system. It's great though if your idea of intellectual stimulation and the
> pinnacle of cinematic art are both Vin Diesel. These are the same sort of
> people that think Bose is high fidelity and the last 2 minutes of
> Tchaikovsky's 1812 overture is the greatest piece of classical music.
>

Of course, you have no idea what I have for a system for critical music
listening, do you? A sub is a _requirement_ for proper reproduction of
modern theatrical sound tracks. That is why theaters have them, after all.

Matthew

--
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Thermodynamics For Dummies: You can't win.
You can't break even.
You can't get out of the game.

[Doug]

For shame, sir, for shame. Thou dost protest too much, methinks. I reside in
the great state of Nebraska, and I take offense to your McDonald's comment.
Everyone knows that the finest dining around is to be found at the IHOP.


> > Sure. You think it's quite nice because you don't anything better.
You're
> > like somebody from Nebraska whose idea of fine dining is Mc Donalds.
It's
> > like people who think they are having a barbecue but have no idea what
> > barbecuing actually is. They go through their whole lives thinking they
are
> > barbecuing because that's what somebody else called it. They go through
life
> > ignorant but content to wallow in their ignorance.
>

[Drain Bamage]

"Matthew L. Martin" > wrote in message
s.com...
> Drain Bamage wrote:
>
> I think you mispelled your name.
>
> >
> > Sure. You think it's quite nice because you don't anything better.
You're
> > like somebody from Nebraska whose idea of fine dining is Mc Donalds.
It's
> > like people who think they are having a barbecue but have no idea what
> > barbecuing actually is. They go through their whole lives thinking they
are
> > barbecuing because that's what somebody else called it. They go through
life
> > ignorant but content to wallow in their ignorance.
>
> I can see that you didn't follow the link in my sig.
>
> > JBL may have had some nice stuff 30 years ago but now they make mostly
> > over-marketed trashy middle-ware...just like the Japs.
> > People think it's nice because they simply don't know any better.
>
> Thank you for your ever so kind comments.
>
> > This is also the main reason holding back a higher quality medium to
replace
> > the CD. People think that CD sound is "good enough". They just don't
realize
> > how much better things can be.
>
> Really? Do you have anything that could possibly back up your opinion?
>
> > BTW...true audiophiles will rarely, if ever, have a subwoofer in their
> > system. It's great though if your idea of intellectual stimulation and
the
> > pinnacle of cinematic art are both Vin Diesel. These are the same sort
of
> > people that think Bose is high fidelity and the last 2 minutes of
> > Tchaikovsky's 1812 overture is the greatest piece of classical music.
> >
>
> Of course, you have no idea what I have for a system for critical music
> listening, do you? A sub is a _requirement_ for proper reproduction of
> modern theatrical sound tracks. That is why theaters have them, after all.
>
> Matthew
>

It's because the mindless cattle that go to see that crap won't go give up
their cash unless there's lots of phoney explosions.
Vin Diesel loves you. Theaters have those sound systems for effect, not for
accurate reproduction. Get a clue.


> --
> <http://www.mlmartin.com/bbq/>
>
> Thermodynamics For Dummies: You can't win.
> You can't break even.
> You can't get out of the game.
>

[Matthew L. Martin]

Drain Bamage wrote:
> "Matthew L. Martin" > wrote in message
> s.com...
>>
>>Of course, you have no idea what I have for a system for critical music
>>listening, do you? A sub is a _requirement_ for proper reproduction of
>>modern theatrical sound tracks. That is why theaters have them, after all.

>
> It's because the mindless cattle that go to see that crap won't go give up
> their cash unless there's lots of phoney explosions.
> Vin Diesel loves you. Theaters have those sound systems for effect, not for
> accurate reproduction. Get a clue.
>

You have the clue you need in your post. Do you realize that you have
just agreed with me?

Matthew

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Thermodynamics For Dummies: You can't win.
You can't break even.
You can't get out of the game.