comparison of DirecTV DVR (R15) and DirecTV Tivo

[Jeff]

Is there an honest comparison of the new DirecTV DVR (R15) and DirecTV Tivo?

I have an old DirecTV Tivo on one floor and just bought a R15 to replace a
basic DirecTV receiver on another floor. With a $99 price and a $100 rebate
there seemed to be little to lose. It ends up being free and if I do not
like it I can always go back to the basic receiver.

So far I find certain advantages and some disadvantages and would love to
have additional opinions.

-The new DirecTV R15 has 100 hours of storage vs. the 40 hours I have on the
Tivo.
-The R15 has a nifty gauge that tells you how much free disk space is still
available for recording, something I wish my Tivo had.
-They both have dual tuners.
-They both have easy advance scheduling and I have not found any of the
reported problems with missed recordings or playback.
-Although the R15 has stepped FF and fast reverse, there does not seem to be
the 30 second advance I have on the Tivo. (Of course I only have it on the
DirecTV Tivo because I hacked it!) Maybe in time there will be a similar
hack for the R15.
-The R15 does not seem to have the handy "wish list" tool the Tivo has and
its season pass is in some ways clumsier and in others faster. Since these
are software based problems I suspect future version updates may add
improvements.

Any other thoughts or impressions from the experts?

Jeff

[Wes Newell]

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 22:34:18 -0500, Jeff wrote:

> Is there an honest comparison of the new DirecTV DVR (R15) and DirecTV Tivo?
>
> I have an old DirecTV Tivo on one floor and just bought a R15 to replace a
> basic DirecTV receiver on another floor. With a $99 price and a $100 rebate
> there seemed to be little to lose. It ends up being free and if I do not
> like it I can always go back to the basic receiver.
>
> So far I find certain advantages and some disadvantages and would love to
> have additional opinions.
>
> -The new DirecTV R15 has 100 hours of storage vs. the 40 hours I have on the
> Tivo.
> -The R15 has a nifty gauge that tells you how much free disk space is still
> available for recording, something I wish my Tivo had.
> -They both have dual tuners.
> -They both have easy advance scheduling and I have not found any of the
> reported problems with missed recordings or playback.
> -Although the R15 has stepped FF and fast reverse, there does not seem to be
> the 30 second advance I have on the Tivo. (Of course I only have it on the
> DirecTV Tivo because I hacked it!) Maybe in time there will be a similar
> hack for the R15.
> -The R15 does not seem to have the handy "wish list" tool the Tivo has and
> its season pass is in some ways clumsier and in others faster. Since these
> are software based problems I suspect future version updates may add
> improvements.
>
> Any other thoughts or impressions from the experts?
>
This NG is riddled with Tivo employee's that will go to any length,
including deception and flat out lies to discredit anything and anyone
that's not 100% pro Tivo. My only thought is that I hope you are real
thick skinned.:-) Maybe my message will back them off a little so they
won't look so guilty. I can tell you this. Over the 4 years I've been
here, they have improved their FUD skills tremendously. And they've also
become much more aggressive. I wouldn't worry about what the socalled
experts have to say. You're the one that will be using it.

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[Seth]

"Wes Newell" > wrote in message
news:NR3rf.2548$7P2.2417@trnddc07...
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 22:34:18 -0500, Jeff wrote:
>
>> Is there an honest comparison of the new DirecTV DVR (R15) and DirecTV
>> Tivo?
>>
>> I have an old DirecTV Tivo on one floor and just bought a R15 to replace
>> a
>> basic DirecTV receiver on another floor. With a $99 price and a $100
>> rebate
>> there seemed to be little to lose. It ends up being free and if I do not
>> like it I can always go back to the basic receiver.
>>
>> So far I find certain advantages and some disadvantages and would love to
>> have additional opinions.
>>
>> -The new DirecTV R15 has 100 hours of storage vs. the 40 hours I have on
>> the
>> Tivo.
>> -The R15 has a nifty gauge that tells you how much free disk space is
>> still
>> available for recording, something I wish my Tivo had.
>> -They both have dual tuners.
>> -They both have easy advance scheduling and I have not found any of the
>> reported problems with missed recordings or playback.
>> -Although the R15 has stepped FF and fast reverse, there does not seem to
>> be
>> the 30 second advance I have on the Tivo. (Of course I only have it on
>> the
>> DirecTV Tivo because I hacked it!) Maybe in time there will be a similar
>> hack for the R15.
>> -The R15 does not seem to have the handy "wish list" tool the Tivo has
>> and
>> its season pass is in some ways clumsier and in others faster. Since
>> these
>> are software based problems I suspect future version updates may add
>> improvements.
>>
>> Any other thoughts or impressions from the experts?
>>
> This NG is riddled with Tivo employee's that will go to any length,
> including deception and flat out lies to discredit anything and anyone
> that's not 100% pro Tivo. My only thought is that I hope you are real
> thick skinned.:-) Maybe my message will back them off a little so they
> won't look so guilty. I can tell you this. Over the 4 years I've been
> here, they have improved their FUD skills tremendously. And they've also
> become much more aggressive. I wouldn't worry about what the socalled
> experts have to say. You're the one that will be using it.

So exactly who have you identified (and confirmed) is a "TiVo employee". Or
are you blowing smoke?

Cause I only know of 2 that ever post in this group and neither one of them
got anywhere near your little ****ing match.

[Mike Hunt]

On 2005-12-24, Jeff > wrote:
> Is there an honest comparison of the new DirecTV DVR (R15) and DirecTV Tivo?
>
> I have an old DirecTV Tivo on one floor and just bought a R15 to replace a
> basic DirecTV receiver on another floor. With a $99 price and a $100 rebate
> there seemed to be little to lose. It ends up being free and if I do not
> like it I can always go back to the basic receiver.
>
> So far I find certain advantages and some disadvantages and would love to
> have additional opinions.
>
> -The new DirecTV R15 has 100 hours of storage vs. the 40 hours I have on the
> Tivo.

Well, to be fair to the TiVo, you can get more hours by buying a larger
unit. And that doesn't even touch on how trivially easy it is to add disk
space to the TiVo if you want more (something that might not ever be
possible with the R15)

> -The R15 has a nifty gauge that tells you how much free disk space is still
> available for recording, something I wish my Tivo had.

A number of people have said they wish they had this on their TiVo. My
first thought is always that they just need more disk space and it
shouldn't become an issue. My DirecTiVo has ~220 hours of recording space
and I have no need for a free disk space gauge. Of course, this is an
added capability you can get if you want to hack your box. I'm never been
real clear on what one gets with a free disk space gauge. My two TiVos
have that capability and I never use it.

> -Although the R15 has stepped FF and fast reverse, there does not seem to be
> the 30 second advance I have on the Tivo. (Of course I only have it on the
> DirecTV Tivo because I hacked it!) Maybe in time there will be a similar
> hack for the R15.

I wouldn't hold your breath for any hacks coming for the R15.

> -The R15 does not seem to have the handy "wish list" tool the Tivo has and
> its season pass is in some ways clumsier and in others faster. Since these
> are software based problems I suspect future version updates may add
> improvements.

Many of these will never be in the R15 because they are patented by TiVo
and DirecTV cannot legally add them in.

> Any other thoughts or impressions from the experts?

Although the R15 is free, I wouldn't say there is little to lose. If it
misses a recording or screws up a recording or ANY type of problem related
to this, it would have the possibility of upsetting either my wife or
myself. With the TiVo working perfectly, I see no upside and only
downside to signing up to be an R15 beta tester.

I do believe they'll keep coming out with patches to fix the big problems
but I also believe it will take a long time before it is to a
usability/functionality level of what TiVo has today. It's just too bad
DirecTV is no longer using TiVo for their future boxes, TiVo is doing some
good stuff with their SA units.

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[Kurt]

In article <Ek3rf.53776$4l5.2620@dukeread05>, "Jeff" >
wrote:

> Is there an honest comparison of the new DirecTV DVR (R15) and DirecTV Tivo?
>
> I have an old DirecTV Tivo on one floor and just bought a R15 to replace a
> basic DirecTV receiver on another floor. With a $99 price and a $100 rebate
> there seemed to be little to lose. It ends up being free and if I do not
> like it I can always go back to the basic receiver.
>
> So far I find certain advantages and some disadvantages and would love to
> have additional opinions.
>
> -The new DirecTV R15 has 100 hours of storage vs. the 40 hours I have on the
> Tivo.

My replacement series 2 DirecTivo from DTV (earlier this summer) came
with 80 hours. They told me that they no longer were shipping them with
40.


> -The R15 has a nifty gauge that tells you how much free disk space is still
> available for recording, something I wish my Tivo had.
> -They both have dual tuners.
> -They both have easy advance scheduling and I have not found any of the
> reported problems with missed recordings or playback.
> -Although the R15 has stepped FF and fast reverse, there does not seem to be
> the 30 second advance I have on the Tivo. (Of course I only have it on the
> DirecTV Tivo because I hacked it!) Maybe in time there will be a similar
> hack for the R15.
> -The R15 does not seem to have the handy "wish list" tool the Tivo has and
> its season pass is in some ways clumsier and in others faster. Since these
> are software based problems I suspect future version updates may add
> improvements.
>
> Any other thoughts or impressions from the experts?
>
> Jeff

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[dold@XReXXcompa.usenet.us.com]

Jeff > wrote:
> Is there an honest comparison of the new DirecTV DVR (R15) and DirecTV Tivo?

> I have an old DirecTV Tivo on one floor and just bought a R15 to replace a
> basic DirecTV receiver on another floor. With a $99 price and a $100 rebate
> there seemed to be little to lose. It ends up being free and if I do not
> like it I can always go back to the basic receiver.

I have a DirecTivo, and a standard receiver.
I went to directv.com, and I see $148 -$100 mail in for their DVR.
New customers get $99 -instant to 0.
Where did you get $99?

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[Jeff]

> wrote in message
...
> Jeff > wrote:
>> Is there an honest comparison of the new DirecTV DVR (R15) and DirecTV
>> Tivo?
>
>> I have an old DirecTV Tivo on one floor and just bought a R15 to replace
>> a
>> basic DirecTV receiver on another floor. With a $99 price and a $100
>> rebate
>> there seemed to be little to lose. It ends up being free and if I do not
>> like it I can always go back to the basic receiver.
>
> I have a DirecTivo, and a standard receiver.
> I went to directv.com, and I see $148 -$100 mail in for their DVR.
> New customers get $99 -instant to 0.
> Where did you get $99?
>
> ---
> Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5
>
Best Buy has the r15 on sale for $99. Rebate is for both new and old
customers (I talked to DirecTV) with a 2 year commitment - which I was going
to do anyway. I do not think that DirecTV is delivering them yet but Best
Buy has tons of them.

So far, I've scheduled a slew of things to record and they all recorded
flawlessly. I believe there were problems with the earlier R10 model but
this one seems real smooth. It also has a caller ID notification feature
(which you can turn on or off) which my DirecTV Tivo does not.

Someone else said the HD gauge that shows you how much disk space is still
free and available was not useful. I find it extremely useful. It appears
in the To-Do list and when scheduling things to record. With my Tivo I
constantly had to worry which of my oldest recordings might next be deleted
to make room for a new recording. I probably did not use the HD to its full
capacity because of that constant concern.

I know that the DirecTV Tivo can be hacked, larger HDs added, caller ID,
etc, but these require more money and/or know-how if one were to do it
oneself. The new R15 DVR is a freebee and I am even getting to like its
remote better than the peanut. Main deficit I see so far is the absence of
a 30 sec advance and no wish-list (unless I just have not yet found its
equivalent screen).

Jeff

[Joe Smith]

Wes Newell wrote:

> This NG is riddled with Tivo employee's that will go to any length,

No, it isn't. Where are you coming up with the idea that
there are many TiVo employees here? Are you paranoid?

[Jack Zwick]

In article >,
Joe Smith > wrote:

> Wes Newell wrote:
>
> > This NG is riddled with Tivo employee's that will go to any length,
>
> No, it isn't. Where are you coming up with the idea that
> there are many TiVo employees here? Are you paranoid?

This newsgroup is riddled with Wes Newell who is too cheap to pay a TiVo
subscription fee.

[Jack Zwick]

In article <fSkrf.57432$4l5.55087@dukeread05>, "Jeff" >
wrote:

>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jeff > wrote:
> >> Is there an honest comparison of the new DirecTV DVR (R15) and DirecTV
> >> Tivo?
> >
> >> I have an old DirecTV Tivo on one floor and just bought a R15 to replace
> >> a
> >> basic DirecTV receiver on another floor. With a $99 price and a $100
> >> rebate
> >> there seemed to be little to lose. It ends up being free and if I do not
> >> like it I can always go back to the basic receiver.
> >
> > I have a DirecTivo, and a standard receiver.
> > I went to directv.com, and I see $148 -$100 mail in for their DVR.
> > New customers get $99 -instant to 0.
> > Where did you get $99?
> >
> > ---
> > Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5
> >
> Best Buy has the r15 on sale for $99. Rebate is for both new and old
> customers (I talked to DirecTV) with a 2 year commitment - which I was going
> to do anyway. I do not think that DirecTV is delivering them yet but Best
> Buy has tons of them.
>
> So far, I've scheduled a slew of things to record and they all recorded
> flawlessly.

So far, you've just been a lucky BETA tester.



> I believe there were problems with the earlier R10 model but
> this one seems real smooth. It also has a caller ID notification feature
> (which you can turn on or off) which my DirecTV Tivo does not.
>
> Someone else said the HD gauge that shows you how much disk space is still
> free and available was not useful. I find it extremely useful. It appears
> in the To-Do list and when scheduling things to record. With my Tivo I
> constantly had to worry which of my oldest recordings might next be deleted
> to make room for a new recording. I probably did not use the HD to its full
> capacity because of that constant concern.
>
> I know that the DirecTV Tivo can be hacked, larger HDs added, caller ID,
> etc, but these require more money and/or know-how if one were to do it
> oneself.

Maybe 2 years ago, but now its trivial.

http://www.mastersav.com/tivo_zipper.html


> The new R15 DVR is a freebee and I am even getting to like its
> remote better than the peanut. Main deficit I see so far is the absence of
> a 30 sec advance and no wish-list (unless I just have not yet found its
> equivalent screen).

No wish list is HUGE. With an R15, you get to go search EVERY 2 weeks
for your desired movie, whereas with TiVo, you enter it in the WishList
once, and its there until its recorded.

[Wes Newell]

On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:40:25 +0000, Jack Zwick wrote:

> This newsgroup is riddled with Wes Newell who is too cheap to pay a TiVo
> subscription fee.

You got that right. And why should I when it's free with MythTV. :-)

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[SINNER]

* Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:40:25 +0000, Jack Zwick wrote:

>> This newsgroup is riddled with Wes Newell who is too cheap to pay a TiVo
>> subscription fee.

> You got that right. And why should I when it's free with MythTV. :-)

Hmmm, must be something wrong with your news posting software:

sinner@gates-of-hell:~$ grep mythtv .hellnewsrc
alt.tv.pvr.mythtv!
comp.multimedia.mythtv!

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crazy.

[dold@XReXXcompa.usenet.us.com]

Jeff > wrote:
> Best Buy has the r15 on sale for $99. Rebate is for both new and old
> customers (I talked to DirecTV) with a 2 year commitment - which I was
> going to do anyway. I do not think that DirecTV is delivering them yet
> but Best Buy has tons of them.

"had" tons of them.
www.bestbuy.com shows out of stock.
A search for local availability shows five out of six local stores with
no stock.

Ah, www.circuitycity.com, available online and for store pickup.
Other than the continuing subscription committment, which doesn't bother
me, because it is an easily broken non-committment, why am I not clicking
on the "order now" button?

What could the downside be? There's gotta be some catch to "free". ;-)


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[Wes Newell]

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:19:44 +0000, SINNER wrote:

> * Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:40:25 +0000, Jack Zwick wrote:
>
>>> This newsgroup is riddled with Wes Newell who is too cheap to pay a TiVo
>>> subscription fee.
>
>> You got that right. And why should I when it's free with MythTV. :-)
>
> Hmmm, must be something wrong with your news posting software:
>
Not a thing.

> sinner@gates-of-hell:~$ grep mythtv .hellnewsrc
> alt.tv.pvr.mythtv!
> comp.multimedia.mythtv!

Not at google. Not at isc.org. = Can't request it from other servers.

If you want these to be available to everyone, just send a control message
and create them. Anyone can create the alt group, but not the comp group.

[wes@wes2 ~]$ grep mythtv .wesnewsrc
alt.tv.pvr.mythtv!
comp.multimedia.mythtv!
[wes@wes2 ~]$ cat .wesnewsrc
alt.tv.pvr.mythtv!
comp.multimedia.mythtv!
sinner is cute



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[Jack Ak]

> wrote in message ...
> Jeff > wrote:
> > Best Buy has the r15 on sale for $99. Rebate is for both new and old
> > customers (I talked to DirecTV) with a 2 year commitment - which I was
> > going to do anyway. I do not think that DirecTV is delivering them yet
> > but Best Buy has tons of them.
>
> "had" tons of them.
> www.bestbuy.com shows out of stock.
> A search for local availability shows five out of six local stores with
> no stock.
>
> Ah, www.circuitycity.com, available online and for store pickup.
> Other than the continuing subscription committment, which doesn't bother
> me, because it is an easily broken non-committment, why am I not clicking
> on the "order now" button?
>
> What could the downside be? There's gotta be some catch to "free". ;-)
>
>

The catch is that buyers may expect the model R15 DVR to perform as well
as a DVR that has been in "periodic update mode" for more than a few years.

Patents will likely prevent TiVo like features in the new R15 DirecTV DVR.

[Bill Kearney]

> Wes Newell wrote:
> > This NG is riddled with Tivo employee's that will go to any length,
> No, it isn't. Where are you coming up with the idea that
> there are many TiVo employees here? Are you paranoid?

Nah, Wes is just some pathetic old washed up engineer/geezer that's gotten
himself worked up into some sort of lather while fiddling around with a
half-assed linux box pretending to be a tivo.

[Wes Newell]

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:29:09 -0500, Bill Kearney wrote:

>> Wes Newell wrote:
>> > This NG is riddled with Tivo employee's that will go to any length,
>> No, it isn't. Where are you coming up with the idea that
>> there are many TiVo employees here? Are you paranoid?
>
> Nah, Wes is just some pathetic old washed up engineer/geezer that's gotten
> himself worked up into some sort of lather while fiddling around with a
> half-assed linux box pretending to be a tivo.

Yep. I'm old. A geezer by one definition, not the other. Not washed up.
Been retired over 3 years and my old company still calls me for advice. I
give it free to them over the phone, but charge them a fee if I have to go
in. Got worked into a lather by the lies and deception of posters in this
group. Now that's an accurate description. I usually said tivo
employees/fanatics, but didn't a few times. Want to gripe about that, have
fun.

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[Mike Hunt]

On 2005-12-26, Bill Kearney > wrote:
>> Wes Newell wrote:
>> > This NG is riddled with Tivo employee's that will go to any length,
>> No, it isn't. Where are you coming up with the idea that
>> there are many TiVo employees here? Are you paranoid?
>
> Nah, Wes is just some pathetic old washed up engineer/geezer that's gotten
> himself worked up into some sort of lather while fiddling around with a
> half-assed linux box pretending to be a tivo.

The photo kinda ruined it for me. He acts _so_ like a 12/13 year old who
really wants to be accepted but just can't find the way to do it and keeps
striking out. His posts drip of this character.

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[SINNER]

* Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:19:44 +0000, SINNER wrote:

>> * Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>>> On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:40:25 +0000, Jack Zwick wrote:

>>>> This newsgroup is riddled with Wes Newell who is too cheap to pay a TiVo
>>>> subscription fee.

>>> You got that right. And why should I when it's free with MythTV. :-)

>> Hmmm, must be something wrong with your news posting software:

> Not a thing.

Then you apparently missed the point of naming newsgroups.

>> sinner@gates-of-hell:~$ grep mythtv .hellnewsrc
>> alt.tv.pvr.mythtv!
>> comp.multimedia.mythtv!

> Not at google.

Easily rectified although I am not sure its a bad thing, I kill g2 posts
in almost all groups anyway. Most of the users are either rude or
clueless.

> Not at isc.org. = Can't request it from other servers.

Are you saying that you cant request them to carry it? In any event
there are free servers as well that carry the group, that said, it still
misses the point that your posts are off topic, there is no reference to
DVR in the group name. I am sure people that are looking for a DVR and
not a TIVO will look to the appropriate places to find said info so
posting your anti tivo pro any other DVR drivel is nothing short of
annoying and self serving.

> If you want these to be available to everyone, just send a control message
> and create them. Anyone can create the alt group, but not the comp group.

No need to create the groups, the control messages are already archived,
its a matter of asking your [IN]SP to carry it.

> [wes@wes2 ~]$ grep mythtv .wesnewsrc
> alt.tv.pvr.mythtv!
> comp.multimedia.mythtv!
> [wes@wes2 ~]$ cat .wesnewsrc
> alt.tv.pvr.mythtv!
> comp.multimedia.mythtv!
> sinner is cute

Unnecessary use of cat and the above proves what exactly? That you have
the groups but choose to post your off topic crap in here instead? You
realize enough of it is considered a violation of the charter and is
certainly against your ISP's TOS...

You are such a bitter old man, it must suck to know you are going to die
soon, alone with your mythtv remote in hand.

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[dold@XReXXcompa.usenet.us.com]

Jack Ak > wrote:
> > wrote:

> > What could the downside be? There's gotta be some catch to "free". ;-)

> The catch is that buyers may expect the model R15 DVR to perform as well
> as a DVR that has been in "periodic update mode" for more than a few years.

I already have a DTivo. But for free, I would replace my Philips normal
receiver in the bedroom. I would record stuff there, but the "important"
recordings would always be on the DTivo, if not both places.

The downside might be some operational confusion for certain family
members.

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[Jack Ak]

> wrote in message ...
> Jack Ak > wrote:
> > > wrote:
>
> > > What could the downside be? There's gotta be some catch to "free". ;-)
>
> > The catch is that buyers may expect the model R15 DVR to perform as well
> > as a DVR that has been in "periodic update mode" for more than a few years.
>
> I already have a DTivo. But for free, I would replace my Philips normal
> receiver in the bedroom. I would record stuff there, but the "important"
> recordings would always be on the DTivo, if not both places.
>
> The downside might be some operational confusion for certain family
> members.
>

Your family members won't find Wishlists or Season Passes.

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USA Today: "DirecTV's DVRs run into snags"
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/2005-12-21-directv-dvr-issues_x.htm

[Jeff]

wrote:
> Jack Ak > wrote:
>> > wrote:
>
>>> What could the downside be? There's gotta be some catch to "free".
>>> ;-)
>
>> The catch is that buyers may expect the model R15 DVR to perform as
>> well as a DVR that has been in "periodic update mode" for more than
>> a few years.
>
> I already have a DTivo. But for free, I would replace my Philips
> normal receiver in the bedroom. I would record stuff there, but the
> "important" recordings would always be on the DTivo, if not both
> places.
>
That is precisely what I did. I have a Directv Tivo and "bought" for free a
DirecTV R15 to replace an old RCA normal receiver that had no recording
capacity.

> The downside might be some operational confusion for certain family
> members.

The new remote is so easy, that passed very fast even with my computer
challenged wife. The family members who might have trouble with it could use
it as the normal simple receiver it was replacing <grin> So for me it was
only a plus.

Jeff

[Wes Newell]

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:49:43 +0000, SINNER wrote:

> * Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:19:44 +0000, SINNER wrote:
>>> Hmmm, must be something wrong with your news posting software:
>
>> Not a thing.
>
> Then you apparently missed the point of naming newsgroups.
>
>>> sinner@gates-of-hell:~$ grep mythtv .hellnewsrc
>>> alt.tv.pvr.mythtv!
>>> comp.multimedia.mythtv!
>
>> Not at google.
>
> Easily rectified although I am not sure its a bad thing, I kill g2 posts
> in almost all groups anyway. Most of the users are either rude or
> clueless.
>
How is it easily rectified? If requested they will check for it in the
active list at isc.org. It isn't there, so the request will be denied.

>> Not at isc.org. = Can't request it from other servers.
>
> Are you saying that you cant request them to carry it?

Well, I could by creating it the proper way with a proper control message,
but no, I can't request isc.org to carry it, since they won't know what it
is. You see, isc.org IS the control, at least here is the US. I subscribe
to the verizon news servers since I have a verizon account and it's
provided free with the account. Now when I or anyone else on their server
request a new group, then they check the official group listings at
isc.org to see if it's real group and if it is they add it if not, they
don't. Well, they'lll also add groups google carries, but that's kind of a
special cercumstance.

> In any event there are free servers as well that carry the group, that
> said, it still misses the point that your posts are off topic, there is
> no reference to DVR in the group name. I am sure people that are looking
> for a DVR and not a TIVO will look to the appropriate places to find
> said info so posting your anti tivo pro any other DVR drivel is nothing
> short of annoying and self serving.
>
Are you running a news server? I ran INN here locally for a while but
never opened it to the public.

>> If you want these to be available to everyone, just send a control
>> message and create them. Anyone can create the alt group, but not the
>> comp group.
>
> No need to create the groups, the control messages are already archived,
> its a matter of asking your [IN]SP to carry it.
>
isc.org archives all control messages. Even the ones that aren't proper.
Those just get tossed in the archive and the group is never officially
created. If it were, it would be in the active list. Neither of the ones
you showed are.

>> [wes@wes2 ~]$ grep mythtv .wesnewsrc
>> alt.tv.pvr.mythtv!
>> comp.multimedia.mythtv!
>> [wes@wes2 ~]$ cat .wesnewsrc
>> alt.tv.pvr.mythtv!
>> comp.multimedia.mythtv!
>> sinner is cute
>
> Unnecessary use of cat and the above proves what exactly?

How easy it is to make a bogus statement look true. .wesnewsrc is just a
text file i created. If you're running a server and actaully have those
groups, then the only other servers that would have them would be ones
that added them manually. yeah, I could add them manually, but they
wouldn't go anywhere if my uplink didn't have them too. And if the aren't
at the clearing house (isc.org) then they might as well not exist
anywhere. Kind of like creating a whorehouse in the middle of the pacific
and not telling anyone about it. Business will be slow except for the
locals maybe.:-)


> That you have the groups but choose to post your off topic crap in here
> instead? You realize enough of it is considered a violation of the
> charter and is certainly against your ISP's TOS...
>
ROFLMAO. Now I know you're just some young kid that thinks they know wtf
they're doing. Go ahead, report it. Nothing will happen. Report yourself
for starting the off topic crap too. And still nothing will happen.

> You are such a bitter old man, it must suck to know you are going to die
> soon, alone with your mythtv remote in hand.

Not at all, I sometimes almost welcome death so I won't have to deal with
morons any longer.

I offered to create a linux pvr group some time back, but there wasn't
much interest so I dropped the idea. I only asked in a few groups,
including alt.config. No objections, but not a lot of interest. there were
only a handful of people that responded, and I didn't think that was
enough to warrant a new group.

So now, why don't you really create alt.tv.pvr.mythtv if you know how?
Oh, btw, alt.tv.pvr is not even part of the heiarchy. How about
alt.video.ptv.linux-pvr if you want to keep it grouped that is.

Let me check the control message, if it's really there, and see where you
screwed up.......Sorry, it's not even there. You must have screwed it up
so bad it wasn't even recognized as a control message. Better luck next
time. In case you didn't know it, all, and I mean all control messages are
archived. Even ones like this;

File: alt.kiss.my.shiny.metal.ass.gz

File: alt.tv.public-access.gz 1 KB 12/29/1994 12:00:00 AM
Yours would be here if it was ever properly sent.
File: alt.tv.quantum-leap.creative.gz

Need help creating it? One I created last year.

File: alt.comp.hardware.amd.x86-64.gz

There's at least one good control message in there. See if you can find it.

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* Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:49:43 +0000, SINNER wrote:


[...]

> Are you running a news server? I ran INN here locally for a while but
> never opened it to the public.

Yes, I am running a local server and if you checked my headers, you
would know this.

>>> If you want these to be available to everyone, just send a control
>>> message and create them. Anyone can create the alt group, but not the
>>> comp group.

>> No need to create the groups, the control messages are already archived,
>> its a matter of asking your [IN]SP to carry it.

> isc.org archives all control messages. Even the ones that aren't proper.
> Those just get tossed in the archive and the group is never officially
> created. If it were, it would be in the active list. Neither of the ones
> you showed are.

>>> [wes@wes2 ~]$ grep mythtv .wesnewsrc
>>> alt.tv.pvr.mythtv!
>>> comp.multimedia.mythtv!
>>> [wes@wes2 ~]$ cat .wesnewsrc
>>> alt.tv.pvr.mythtv!
>>> comp.multimedia.mythtv!
>>> sinner is cute

>> Unnecessary use of cat and the above proves what exactly?

> How easy it is to make a bogus statement look true.

While true, unlike you I have no need to prove something that I cant
back up.

> text file i created. If you're running a server and actaully have those
> groups, then the only other servers that would have them would be ones
> that added them manually. yeah, I could add them manually, but they
> wouldn't go anywhere if my uplink didn't have them too.

But you haven't even looked because you prefer to troll.

> And if the aren't
> at the clearing house (isc.org) then they might as well not exist
> anywhere.

Or you could do the right thing and request them.

[...]

>> That you have the groups but choose to post your off topic crap in here
>> instead? You realize enough of it is considered a violation of the
>> charter and is certainly against your ISP's TOS...

> ROFLMAO. Now I know you're just some young kid that thinks they know wtf
> they're doing. Go ahead, report it. Nothing will happen. Report yourself
> for starting the off topic crap too. And still nothing will happen.

You say you've been around Usenet for a while and yet you've never seen an
account closed for a TOS violation? Funny stuff. Times have changed
since Usenet was for military use only.

>> You are such a bitter old man, it must suck to know you are going to die
>> soon, alone with your mythtv remote in hand.

> Not at all, I sometimes almost welcome death so I won't have to deal with
> morons any longer.

> I offered to create a linux pvr group some time back, but there wasn't
> much interest so I dropped the idea.

That should have given you a clue...too dense?

> I only asked in a few groups,
> including alt.config. No objections, but not a lot of interest. there were
> only a handful of people that responded, and I didn't think that was
> enough to warrant a new group.

So instead you find a group that has nothing to do with the topic and
decided you'd troll that one instead of being a good netizen?

> So now, why don't you really create alt.tv.pvr.mythtv if you know how?

Because I don't care about it and unlike you I would have no use for it
but if I did read it I would not be in there screaming the virtues of
tivo.

[...]

Through all that drivel you still miss the point, You are off topic,
since you claim to be such an old timer how about obeying some simple
netiquette and ****ing off to a group that cares about the ****
you spout.

--
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Man is the measure of all things.
-- Protagoras

[Wes Newell]

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:39:43 +0000, SINNER wrote:

> * Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:49:43 +0000, SINNER wrote:
> [...]
>
Yeah, you guys are good at editing out the facts. A tactic I would resort
to if I were trying to decieve.

>> Are you running a news server? I ran INN here locally for a while but
>> never opened it to the public.
>
> Yes, I am running a local server and if you checked my headers, you
> would know this.
>
I didn't care enough to look. Besides, headers can be forged.

>>>> If you want these to be available to everyone, just send a control
>>>> message and create them. Anyone can create the alt group, but not the
>>>> comp group.
>
>>> No need to create the groups, the control messages are already
>>> archived, its a matter of asking your [IN]SP to carry it.
>
Wai a minute. What happened to the part I proved this incorrect.:-)

>> isc.org archives all control messages. Even the ones that aren't
>> proper. Those just get tossed in the archive and the group is never
>> officially created. If it were, it would be in the active list. Neither
>> of the ones you showed are.
>
>> text file i created. If you're running a server and actaully have those
>> groups, then the only other servers that would have them would be ones
>> that added them manually. yeah, I could add them manually, but they
>> wouldn't go anywhere if my uplink didn't have them too.
>
> But you haven't even looked because you prefer to troll.
>
Now, you know I looked and caught you in your little scam. You just edited
that out too.:-)

>> And if the aren't at the clearing house (isc.org) then they might as well not exist
>> anywhere.
>
> Or you could do the right thing and request them.
>
And you know this is impossible since they aren't there.

> [...]
>
> You say you've been around Usenet for a while and yet you've never seen
> an account closed for a TOS violation? Funny stuff. Times have changed
> since Usenet was for military use only.
>
Well, why don't you just go ahead and try to get mine closed then.

>>> You are such a bitter old man, it must suck to know you are going to
>>> die soon, alone with your mythtv remote in hand.
>
>> Not at all, I sometimes almost welcome death so I won't have to deal
>> with morons any longer.
>
>> I offered to create a linux pvr group some time back, but there wasn't
>> much interest so I dropped the idea.
>
> That should have given you a clue...too dense?
>
>> I only asked in a few groups,
>> including alt.config. No objections, but not a lot of interest. there
>> were only a handful of people that responded, and I didn't think that
>> was enough to warrant a new group.
>
> So instead you find a group that has nothing to do with the topic and
> decided you'd troll that one instead of being a good netizen?
>
Nothing to do with it! It was a comparison with the Tivo. Now how do you
consider that off topic in a Tivo group? The only thing that's been off
topic is this little charade of yours.

>> So now, why don't you really create alt.tv.pvr.mythtv if you know how?
>
> Because I don't care about it and unlike you I would have no use for it
> but if I did read it I would not be in there screaming the virtues of
> tivo.
>
Then why did you claim the groups were there, when in fact they weren't
and you probably knew it. Couldn't be because you're just as much a liar
as a few others in this group could it. You guys are going to have be a
lot smarter than you're capable of being to fool me.

> [...]
>
> Through all that drivel you still miss the point, You are off topic,
> since you claim to be such an old timer how about obeying some simple
> netiquette and ****ing off to a group that cares about the **** you
> spout.

Yes, you've taken this thread way off topic. So why not either let it die
or get back to the comparison.

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[SINNER]

* Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:39:43 +0000, SINNER wrote:
>
>> * Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:49:43 +0000, SINNER wrote:
>> [...]
>>
> Yeah, you guys are good at editing out the facts. A tactic I would
> resort to if I were trying to decieve.
>
>>> Are you running a news server? I ran INN here locally for a while
>>> but never opened it to the public.
>>
>> Yes, I am running a local server and if you checked my headers, you
>> would know this.
>>
> I didn't care enough to look. Besides, headers can be forged.

Are you sure you know how to use this internet thing? The header I was
refering to was an X-Header, no forgeing necessary, I add it myself as an
informational header. You are familiar with X- headers right?

>>>>> If you want these to be available to everyone, just send a control
>>>>> message and create them. Anyone can create the alt group, but not
>>>>> the comp group.
>>
>>>> No need to create the groups, the control messages are already
>>>> archived, its a matter of asking your [IN]SP to carry it.
>>
> Wai a minute. What happened to the part I proved this incorrect.:-)

So? you also said you 'thought' about doing it but decided against it, that
part you neglected to add was 'so you can troll without someone telling me
I am off topic since an on topic group does not exist'

>
>>> isc.org archives all control messages. Even the ones that aren't
>>> proper. Those just get tossed in the archive and the group is never
>>> officially created. If it were, it would be in the active list.
>>> Neither of the ones you showed are.
>>
>>> text file i created. If you're running a server and actaully have
>>> those groups, then the only other servers that would have them would
>>> be ones that added them manually. yeah, I could add them manually,
>>> but they wouldn't go anywhere if my uplink didn't have them too.
>>
>> But you haven't even looked because you prefer to troll.
>>
> Now, you know I looked and caught you in your little scam. You just
> edited that out too.:-)

What the hell are you talking about? What scam and what snip? You didnt
look, you played around with the cat command...ooooh powermiester Wes
Newell.

>
>>> And if the aren't at the clearing house (isc.org) then they might as
>>> well not exist anywhere.
>>
>> Or you could do the right thing and request them.
>>
> And you know this is impossible since they aren't there.

Request them as in request they be created. You are intentionally being a
moron, althoug I am not sure you can help it.

>
>> [...]
>>
>> You say you've been around Usenet for a while and yet you've never
>> seen an account closed for a TOS violation? Funny stuff. Times have
>> changed since Usenet was for military use only.
>>
> Well, why don't you just go ahead and try to get mine closed then.
>

Keep it up, I am sure if you continue on your useless tirades it wont be
long.

>>>> You are such a bitter old man, it must suck to know you are going
>>>> to die soon, alone with your mythtv remote in hand.
>>
>>> Not at all, I sometimes almost welcome death so I won't have to deal
>>> with morons any longer.
>>
>>> I offered to create a linux pvr group some time back, but there
>>> wasn't much interest so I dropped the idea.
>>
>> That should have given you a clue...too dense?
>>
>>> I only asked in a few groups,
>>> including alt.config. No objections, but not a lot of interest.
>>> there were only a handful of people that responded, and I didn't
>>> think that was enough to warrant a new group.
>>
>> So instead you find a group that has nothing to do with the topic and
>> decided you'd troll that one instead of being a good netizen?
>>
> Nothing to do with it! It was a comparison with the Tivo. Now how do
> you consider that off topic in a Tivo group? The only thing that's
> been off topic is this little charade of yours.

oh Please Wes, I have no time right now to go and grab MID's to prove you
do this for a living....

>
>>> So now, why don't you really create alt.tv.pvr.mythtv if you know
>>> how?
>>
>> Because I don't care about it and unlike you I would have no use for
>> it but if I did read it I would not be in there screaming the virtues
>> of tivo.
>>
> Then why did you claim the groups were there, when in fact they
> weren't and you probably knew it.

They are on MY servers which I proved earlier do I need to telent in and
show you that transcript too?

> Couldn't be because you're just as
> much a liar as a few others in this group could it.

Please let me know how you would like me to prove the groups exist in a way
that will satisfy your parnoia or just give up, Denial is a river in Egypt.

> You guys are going
> to have be a lot smarter than you're capable of being to fool me.
>

on my server there are 6000 messages in alt.tv.pvr.mythtv you can believe
what you like. I am starting at the open group with headers as I type this.
Sounds like its pretty easy to foll you, just tell you the truth and you
will deny it, done.

>> netiquette and ****ing off to a group that cares about the **** you
>> spout.
>
> Yes, you've taken this thread way off topic. So why not either let it
> die or get back to the comparison.
>

Way off topic....oh the irony.

--
David

[Wes Newell]

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:12:59 +0000, SINNER wrote:

> * Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> And you know this is impossible since they aren't there.
>
> Request them as in request they be created. You are intentionally being a
> moron, althoug I am not sure you can help it.
>
No. You're the moron. If they aren't listed at isc.org or google, Verizon
won't add them, automatically, manually or any other damn way. Look, it's
obvious you don't have a clue what you're talking about, so why go on.
You said you created them and they were valid, I've proved they aren't.
You said the control messages were sent. I've proved they never got there.
Are you even a real person? Only one thing is for sure. As much as you
lie, you have the correct handle.

>> Well, why don't you just go ahead and try to get mine closed then.
>>
> Keep it up, I am sure if you continue on your useless tirades it wont be
> long.
>
Don't let the door hit you in butt.

> Please let me know how you would like me to prove the groups exist in a
> way that will satisfy your parnoia or just give up, Denial is a river in
> Egypt.
>
You can't prove it. They aren't listed at isc.org. There's no control
messages at isc.org for the ones you claim. IE. They don't exist, except
maybe on your own server which doesn't make them a valid newsgroup.

> on my server there are 6000 messages in alt.tv.pvr.mythtv you can
> believe what you like. I am starting at the open group with headers as I
> type this. Sounds like its pretty easy to foll you, just tell you the
> truth and you will deny it, done.
>
Really. OK, now prove it. Give me your servers URL and I'll setup an
account there as long as it's free. Surely you'd do that just to prove me
wrong. Right? If it's a free access server others can see it too. Waiting..
BTW, is it alt.tv.pvr.mythtv, or alt.tv.pvr.mythtv! as you posted earlier.
Not that it matters, neither are vaild.

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* Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

[...]

>> on my server there are 6000 messages in alt.tv.pvr.mythtv you can
>> believe what you like. I am starting at the open group with headers as I
>> type this. Sounds like its pretty easy to foll you, just tell you the
>> truth and you will deny it, done.

> Really. OK, now prove it. Give me your servers URL and I'll setup an
> account there as long as it's free.

It isn't and I pull from 2 servers.

> Surely you'd do that just to prove me
> wrong. Right?

Absolutely, if I could give you access, I would.

> If it's a free access server others can see it too. Waiting..
> BTW, is it alt.tv.pvr.mythtv, or alt.tv.pvr.mythtv! as you posted earlier.
> Not that it matters, neither are vaild.

You really are an idiot. the ! was part of the output is part of
my local newsrc.

a snippet of unsubbed groups:

alt.games.warcraft!
alt.games.warcraft.draenor!
alt.games.wargames!
alt.games.warlords3!
alt.games.wavecatcher!
alt.games.wc3!
alt.games.whitewolf!
alt.games.whitewolf.fanfic!
alt.games.whitewolf.mage!
alt.games.whitewolf.rage!
alt.games.wing-commander!

this group:

alt.video.ptv.tivo: 1-4324,4327,4330-4335,4337

The format is one that slrn, my newsreader, understands. I have no time
to construct stories and then have to keep with them all, you OTOH seem
to have that time, being retired and all.

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You are here:
***
***
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But you're not all there.

[Wes Newell]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:29:42 +0000, SINNER wrote:

> * Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>
> [...]
>
>>> on my server there are 6000 messages in alt.tv.pvr.mythtv you can
>>> believe what you like. I am starting at the open group with headers as I
>>> type this. Sounds like its pretty easy to foll you, just tell you the
>>> truth and you will deny it, done.
>
>> Really. OK, now prove it. Give me your servers URL and I'll setup an
>> account there as long as it's free.
>
> It isn't and I pull from 2 servers.
>
>> Surely you'd do that just to prove me wrong. Right?
>
> Absolutely, if I could give you access, I would.
>
>> If it's a free access server others can see it too. Waiting.. BTW, is
>> it alt.tv.pvr.mythtv, or alt.tv.pvr.mythtv! as you posted earlier. Not
>> that it matters, neither are vaild.
>

And I think that takes care of this little off topic debate.

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[poldy]

In article >,
wrote:

> Jack Ak > wrote:
> > > wrote:
>
> > > What could the downside be? There's gotta be some catch to "free". ;-)
>
> > The catch is that buyers may expect the model R15 DVR to perform as well
> > as a DVR that has been in "periodic update mode" for more than a few years.
>
> I already have a DTivo. But for free, I would replace my Philips normal
> receiver in the bedroom. I would record stuff there, but the "important"
> recordings would always be on the DTivo, if not both places.
>
> The downside might be some operational confusion for certain family
> members.

Do they charge you another $5 for the DVR fee since you have a Tivo too?

[Bill Kearney]

> * Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> > Really. OK, now prove it. Give me your servers URL and I'll setup an
> > account there as long as it's free.

Gee, Wes is either too stupid (or cheap) to be using an ISP that has a full
newsfeed or he's even more stupid and hasn't actually CHECKED for the
newsgroup. My ISP shows it, but the 6k messages in it seem to be mostly
garbage. Sorta appropriate one might think...

> > Surely you'd do that just to prove me
> > wrong. Right?

Hell, all someone has to do to prove Wes wrong is tell the truth.

[Jeff]

"poldy" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> wrote:
>
>> Jack Ak > wrote:
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> > > What could the downside be? There's gotta be some catch to "free".
>> > > ;-)
>>
>> > The catch is that buyers may expect the model R15 DVR to perform as
>> > well
>> > as a DVR that has been in "periodic update mode" for more than a few
>> > years.
>>
>> I already have a DTivo. But for free, I would replace my Philips normal
>> receiver in the bedroom. I would record stuff there, but the "important"
>> recordings would always be on the DTivo, if not both places.
>>
>> The downside might be some operational confusion for certain family
>> members.
>
> Do they charge you another $5 for the DVR fee since you have a Tivo too?

No. It is included as a second TIVO under the same single $5 charge.

[SINNER]

* Bill Kearney wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

>> * Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> > Really. OK, now prove it. Give me your servers URL and I'll setup
>> > an account there as long as it's free.
>
> Gee, Wes is either too stupid (or cheap) to be using an ISP that has a
> full newsfeed or he's even more stupid and hasn't actually CHECKED for
> the newsgroup. My ISP shows it, but the 6k messages in it seem to be
> mostly garbage. Sorta appropriate one might think...

yup, and some binary stuff, not sure exactly what it is but if the group
had real users that stuff would eventually go away. Looks like a score
board groups fro Trolls so Wes would probably be right at home.
>
>> > Surely you'd do that just to prove me
>> > wrong. Right?
>
> Hell, all someone has to do to prove Wes wrong is tell the truth.
>

Sort of where I went with that comment also, he is a sad little man.

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[SINNER]

* Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

> And I think that takes care of this little off topic debate.

Yup, and you lost again...

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[Wes Newell]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:48:17 +0000, SINNER wrote:

> * Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>
>> And I think that takes care of this little off topic debate.
>
> Yup, and you lost again...

Let's see. You claimed there was a valid alt....mythtv newsgroup. I proved
there wasn't.

You claimed you sent the control message. I proved a valid message was
never recieved at isc.org.

I asked for the address of the server it's on and you balk with excuses.

Yep. You won in your mind.:-)


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[Wes Newell]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:08:30 -0500, Bill Kearney wrote:

>> * Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> > Really. OK, now prove it. Give me your servers URL and I'll setup an
>> > account there as long as it's free.
>
> Gee, Wes is either too stupid (or cheap) to be using an ISP that has a full
> newsfeed or he's even more stupid and hasn't actually CHECKED for the
> newsgroup. My ISP shows it, but the 6k messages in it seem to be mostly
> garbage. Sorta appropriate one might think...
>
And I guess you're too stupid to understand how newsgroups even work. I
did search a server that I know doesn't vailadate control messages and
alt.whatever. mythtv is not there either. There is one called
gmane.comp.tv.mythtv.users though. But as would be expected, there's
nothing in it because some moron like you or sinner that can't comprehend
the simple structure behind usenet probably created it. There's
about 200 of these gmane.... groups with no messages in any the twenty or
so I checked. That servers address is freenews.netfront.net. So it really
doesn't matter what you say here. It's all BS.

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[SINNER]

* Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:48:17 +0000, SINNER wrote:
>
>> * Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>>
>>> And I think that takes care of this little off topic debate.
>>
>> Yup, and you lost again...
>
> Let's see. You claimed there was a valid alt....mythtv newsgroup. I
> proved there wasn't.

Just like I proved I have access to it.

1 - 0 Me

>
> You claimed you sent the control message.

I claimed no such thing, please post the MID and the appropriate quote or
admit to lying.

2 - 0 Me

> I proved a valid message was
> never recieved at isc.org.

I never claimed there was or was not, in fact, I believe I said to
request it.

3 - 0 Me

>
> I asked for the address of the server it's on and you balk with
> excuses.

No excuses, I have the servers, that fact that I dont dedicate my life to
finding **** for free because I am not a cheap old man living on fixed
income proves only that you refuse to admit the truth when presented with
eveidnce that you claim does not exist becuase you are too
poor/stupid/cheap to do otherwise.

4 - 0 Me.

It seems you are the one with excuses. Someone else has already posted
the group exists also on their server as well so now we are conspireing?

That fact that you are chaep little pussy that looks for ways to squirm
out of being proven wrong (which youve managed to do again) is your own
problem. I can provide you with plent of pay servers that have the group
available.

all this said, the real reason I win is becasue you are off topic,
posting your drivvel in place where no one will be looking for it and
those of us that already have to correct information now you for what you
are, a trolling liar, proven a multitude of times.

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

Get yours today.

>
> Yep. You won in your mind.:-)
>
>

No, I won on this planet, you won in bizzaro world.

5 - 0 so unless on Bizzaro world the lower number wins, you are still a
loser in every sense of the word.


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[Wes Newell]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:46:05 +0000, SINNER wrote:

> * Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:48:17 +0000, SINNER wrote:
>>
>>> * Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>>>
>>>> And I think that takes care of this little off topic debate.
>>>
>>> Yup, and you lost again...
>>
>> Let's see. You claimed there was a valid alt....mythtv newsgroup. I
>> proved there wasn't.
>
> Just like I proved I have access to it.
>
> 1 - 0 Me
>
You never proved anything.

>>
>> You claimed you sent the control message.
>
> I claimed no such thing, please post the MID and the appropriate quote or
> admit to lying.
>
> 2 - 0 Me
>
My mistake. This is what you wrote and I proved you wrong again. There are
no control messages for a mythtv group archived at isc.org.

---------
No need to create the groups, the control messages are already archived,
its a matter of asking your [IN]SP to carry it.
---------

>> I proved a valid message was
>> never recieved at isc.org.
>
> I never claimed there was or was not, in fact, I believe I said to
> request it.
>
> 3 - 0 Me
>
Again proving you contradict yourself everywhere.

>>
>> I asked for the address of the server it's on and you balk with
>> excuses.
>
> No excuses, I have the servers, that fact that I dont dedicate my life to
> finding **** for free because I am not a cheap old man living on fixed
> income proves only that you refuse to admit the truth when presented with
> eveidnce that you claim does not exist becuase you are too
> poor/stupid/cheap to do otherwise.
>
> 4 - 0 Me.
>
But you never told anyone where these servers are. IOW's, they don't
exist, or if they do, the groups aren't valid since, once again, they
aren't valid at isc.org.

> It seems you are the one with excuses. Someone else has already posted
> the group exists also on their server as well so now we are conspireing?
>
No one has ever posted where this group can be found. And that's because
it doesn't exist as far as the servers here in the US are concerned.

> That fact that you are chaep little pussy that looks for ways to squirm
> out of being proven wrong (which youve managed to do again) is your own
> problem. I can provide you with plent of pay servers that have the group
> available.
>
There's only one server that needs to have it in it's list. And that's
isc.org. They are esponsible for maintaing a list of valid newsgroups. If
it was ever created porperly by anyone, it would be in their active list.
It isn't, thus it never was. It has never even had a control message (good
or bad) sent. If there was, even it would be archived at isc.org, as they
archive all control messages sent also. Now here's links to both the
active list, and the archived control messages. Now either show me one or
admit you're just a moron and/or troublemaker. or both.

ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/CONFIG/active

ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt/

Now, anyone that doubts sinner is full of crap can also look.

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[Wes Newell]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:44:42 +0000, Wes Newell wrote:

> There's only one server that needs to have it in it's list. And that's
> isc.org. They are esponsible for maintaing a list of valid newsgroups. If
> it was ever created porperly by anyone, it would be in their active list.
> It isn't, thus it never was. It has never even had a control message (good
> or bad) sent. If there was, even it would be archived at isc.org, as they
> archive all control messages sent also. Now here's links to both the
> active list, and the archived control messages.
>
> ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/CONFIG/active
>
> ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt/
>
> Now, anyone that doubts sinner is full of crap can also look.

But of you wait too long you will see one, as I just submitted a cmsg for
one. alt.video.ptv.mythtv.

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[Wes Newell]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:31:24 +0000, Wes Newell wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:44:42 +0000, Wes Newell wrote:
>
>> There's only one server that needs to have it in it's list. And that's
>> isc.org. They are esponsible for maintaing a list of valid newsgroups. If
>> it was ever created porperly by anyone, it would be in their active list.
>> It isn't, thus it never was. It has never even had a control message (good
>> or bad) sent. If there was, even it would be archived at isc.org, as they
>> archive all control messages sent also. Now here's links to both the
>> active list, and the archived control messages.
>>
>> ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/CONFIG/active
>>
>> ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt/
>>
>> Now, anyone that doubts sinner is full of crap can also look.
>
> But of you wait too long you will see one, as I just submitted a cmsg for
> one. alt.video.ptv.mythtv.

And if you haven't already looked, you're too late. If you want to verify
when, how, and who really created it. Just look in the control message
archive.

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[Kurt]

In article <uoGsf.6180$3Y3.3002@trnddc02>,
Wes Newell > wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:31:24 +0000, Wes Newell wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:44:42 +0000, Wes Newell wrote:
> >
> >> There's only one server that needs to have it in it's list. And that's
> >> isc.org. They are esponsible for maintaing a list of valid newsgroups. If
> >> it was ever created porperly by anyone, it would be in their active list.
> >> It isn't, thus it never was. It has never even had a control message (good
> >> or bad) sent. If there was, even it would be archived at isc.org, as they
> >> archive all control messages sent also. Now here's links to both the
> >> active list, and the archived control messages.
> >>
> >> ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/CONFIG/active
> >>
> >> ftp://ftp.isc.org/usenet/control/alt/
> >>
> >> Now, anyone that doubts sinner is full of crap can also look.
> >
> > But of you wait too long you will see one, as I just submitted a cmsg for
> > one. alt.video.ptv.mythtv.
>
> And if you haven't already looked, you're too late. If you want to verify
> when, how, and who really created it. Just look in the control message
> archive.

Feel like I'm watching a "bumfight."

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[SINNER]

* Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

> And if you haven't already looked, you're too late. If you want to verify
> when, how, and who really created it. Just look in the control message
> archive.

Good, now you have someplace to post. Good Bye.

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[Wes Newell]

On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:09:43 +0000, SINNER wrote:

> * Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>
>> And if you haven't already looked, you're too late. If you want to verify
>> when, how, and who really created it. Just look in the control message
>> archive.
>
> Good, now you have someplace to post. Good Bye.

Now I have another place to post. I still have my Tivo, but I'm not sure
how much longer. Offered my wife her choice between the tivo and the RCA,
and she took the RCA because it has a better picture quality, a builtin
DVD/CD/MP3 player, free OTA guide service, and just looks 10 times better
than the black box Tivo.

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[Agave]

Below is a messages downloaded from my news server; and as you can see
*alt.tv.pvr.mythtv* exists. There are also: *comp.multimedia.mythtv*
and *gmane.comp.tv.mythtv.user* news groups.

I believe Wes owes Sinner an apology.

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Hi all:

Well, I didn't see any posts in this group, so I thought I'd go ahead
and be a pioneer.

I have KnoppMyth R5A12 working fairly well with a Hauppauge PVR-150
tuner. I have lirc partly working - If I run irw, lirc echoes the
keys I type in Linux accurately. I used the HOWTO for lirc on the
PVR-150 card here:
http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4609

However, the remote does nothing from within MythTV.

I am stumped. Does anyone have any suggestions?

thanks in advance.

Dave

Wes Newell wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:08:30 -0500, Bill Kearney wrote:
>
>
>>> * Wes Newell wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>>>
>>>> Really. OK, now prove it. Give me your servers URL and I'll setup an
>>>> account there as long as it's free.
>>>>
>> Gee, Wes is either too stupid (or cheap) to be using an ISP that has a full
>> newsfeed or he's even more stupid and hasn't actually CHECKED for the
>> newsgroup. My ISP shows it, but the 6k messages in it seem to be mostly
>> garbage. Sorta appropriate one might think...
>>
>>
> And I guess you're too stupid to understand how newsgroups even work. I
> did search a server that I know doesn't vailadate control messages and
> alt.whatever. mythtv is not there either. There is one called
> gmane.comp.tv.mythtv.users though. But as would be expected, there's
> nothing in it because some moron like you or sinner that can't comprehend
> the simple structure behind usenet probably created it. There's
> about 200 of these gmane.... groups with no messages in any the twenty or
> so I checked. That servers address is freenews.netfront.net. So it really
> doesn't matter what you say here. It's all BS.
>
>

[SINNER]

* Agave wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

> Below is a messages downloaded from my news server; and as you can see
> *alt.tv.pvr.mythtv* exists. There are also: *comp.multimedia.mythtv*
> and *gmane.comp.tv.mythtv.user* news groups.
>
> I believe Wes owes Sinner an apology.

[...]

Thanks, but Wes's next comment will be that you forged the headers because
we are all liars and work for Tivo.

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[Agave]

SINNER wrote:
> * Agave wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>
>
>> Below is a messages downloaded from my news server; and as you can see
>> *alt.tv.pvr.mythtv* exists. There are also: *comp.multimedia.mythtv*
>> and *gmane.comp.tv.mythtv.user* news groups.
>>
>> I believe Wes owes Sinner an apology.
>>
>
> [...]
>
> Thanks, but Wes's next comment will be that you forged the headers because
> we are all liars and work for Tivo.
>
>
Well, sometimes it's just the thought that counts. And, besides, you
needed vindication just in case others reading this thread had doubts.

As far as Wes is concerned, his reply should reveal his true colors,
intentions, and abilities.

[Mike Hunt]

On 2005-12-30, Agave > wrote:
> SINNER wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, but Wes's next comment will be that you forged the headers because
>> we are all liars and work for Tivo.
>>
>>
> Well, sometimes it's just the thought that counts. And, besides, you
> needed vindication just in case others reading this thread had doubts.

Everyone reading this thread knows SINNER doesn't need any vindication -
it's obvious Wes is a wacko.

> As far as Wes is concerned, his reply should reveal his true colors,
> intentions, and abilities.

I think all of Wes's posts so far have shown this well enough.

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[Wes Newell]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:16:28 -0500, Agave wrote:

> Below is a messages downloaded from my news server; and as you can see
> *alt.tv.pvr.mythtv* exists. There are also: *comp.multimedia.mythtv*
> and *gmane.comp.tv.mythtv.user* news groups.
>
They may exist on some off the wall server somewhere as I've already
stated. They just aren't valid for usenet use. And they can't be requested
on other servers.

> I believe Wes owes Sinner an apology.
>
Then you'd be mistaken. There's only one valid mythtv newsgroup, and it's
the one I created on 12/28. It's alt.video.ptv.mythtv. It' is listed at
isc.org, and can be requested by any server in usenet that uses isc.org as
the controlling authority, which is all of them afaik. I can request it
here and get it. I can't request the others since they aren't vaild at
isc.org. Do you people take your brains out and play with them at night.
Now look at the fricking message and read it. The reason he doesn't see
any messages in the group is because it's not a valid group to the rest of
the world. I created alt.comp.hardware.amd.x86-64 here on my local server
before I actually created it at isc.org. Did that make it a valid
newsgroup? Hell no. Not until I sent a control message to create it could
anyone else access it. People that don't really know wtf their talking
about should be seen, but not heard. Now check the fricking active list at
isc.org and look for your non existing newsgroups. You won't find them.
Christ, you pelple are the most stuborn idiots I've ever ancountered.

[wes@wes2 ~]$ cat active|grep mythtv
alt.video.ptv.mythtv 0000000000 0000000001 y
[wes@wes2 ~]$

Now tell me what you see you frickin idiot. What you don't see is any of
the groups you and your buddy seem to think really exist. What you do see
is the valid newsgroup I created on 12/28 to go right above this one in
the list.

[wes@wes2 ~]$ cat active|grep alt.video.ptv
alt.video.ptv.mythtv 0000000000 0000000001 y
alt.video.ptv.replaytv 0000000000 0000000001 y
alt.video.ptv.tivo 0000000000 0000000001 y
alt.video.ptv.ultimatetv 0000000000 0000000001 y
[wes@wes2 ~]$

Now if you truely don't understand this, go back and read my post. They
explain how this crap works.

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[Wes Newell]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 19:57:47 +0000, Mike Hunt wrote:

> On 2005-12-30, Agave > wrote:
>> SINNER wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, but Wes's next comment will be that you forged the headers because
>>> we are all liars and work for Tivo.
>>>
>>>
>> Well, sometimes it's just the thought that counts. And, besides, you
>> needed vindication just in case others reading this thread had doubts.
>
> Everyone reading this thread knows SINNER doesn't need any vindication -
> it's obvious Wes is a wacko.
>
>> As far as Wes is concerned, his reply should reveal his true colors,
>> intentions, and abilities.
>
> I think all of Wes's posts so far have shown this well enough.


There's only one thing revealed by all of this.

1) You people have no idea how usenet works, except in your on minds.

2) You're all a bunch of morons.



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[Wes Newell]

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:16:28 -0500, Agave wrote:

> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
> <html>
> <head>
> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
> <title></title>
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> </body>
> </html>

And all this from a person that dumps html onto usenet. Yep, you're a real
expert.

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[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, Wes Newell > said:
>It' is listed at
>isc.org, and can be requested by any server in usenet that uses isc.org as
>the controlling authority, which is all of them afaik.

Harldy; alt.* is pretty much run wild by many Usenet admins. ISC is the
repository of known control messages, but they are generally considered
the "controlling authority" only for the big-7 groups.

Servers don't "request" groups either.

>Not until I sent a control message to create it could
>anyone else access it. People that don't really know wtf their talking
>about should be seen, but not heard.

What you say is only true for recent Usenet server software. Many
groups were "created" due to cross-posting (that's why we have so many
misspelled groups). Some commercial Usenet providers still accept such
groups (especially in alt.*) so they can claim "we have more groups".

>Christ, you pelple are the most stuborn idiots I've ever ancountered.

I'm not sure what a pelple is (and I don't know if I've ever met a
stuborn one), nor would I know if I've ancountered one. However, I
believe you are one.
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[Wes Newell]

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:12:49 +0000, Chris Adams wrote:

> Once upon a time, Wes Newell > said:
>>It' is listed at
>>isc.org, and can be requested by any server in usenet that uses isc.org as
>>the controlling authority, which is all of them afaik.
>
> Harldy; alt.* is pretty much run wild by many Usenet admins. ISC is the
> repository of known control messages, but they are generally considered
> the "controlling authority" only for the big-7 groups.
>
I wouldn't say run wild. As I've already pointed out though, there are
servers that add new groups automatically. They can be alt groups or any
other, depending on how it is configured. Since I actually set one up and
configured it to, I think i know wtf I'm talking about. As for isc.org and
alt groups, you can't request aan alt group from most other servers here
in the US unless the group is in the active list at isc.org or google
groups.

> Servers don't "request" groups either.
>
I don't know where you get that idea. There's nothing to stop the server
admin from setting up automated new group request. But that really has
nothing to do with the topic.

>>Not until I sent a
control message to create it could anyone else access
>>it. People that don't really know wtf their talking about should be
>>seen, but not heard.
>
> What you say is only true for recent Usenet server software. Many
> groups were "created" due to cross-posting (that's why we have so many
> misspelled groups). Some commercial Usenet providers still accept such
> groups (especially in alt.*) so they can claim "we have more groups".
>
I think I also pointed this out. The new group I created was immediately
created at freenews.netfront.net from the cmsg I sent. No telling how
others did so too. The fact that the ones they claim already exist don't
exist even on these type servers, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that a
valid csmg was never sent for them.

>>Christ, you pelple are the most stuborn idiots
I've ever ancountered.
>
> I'm not sure what a pelple is (and I don't know if I've ever met a
> stuborn one), nor would I know if I've ancountered one. However, I
> believe you are one.

Well, at least you know a *little* about how usenet works. I'll give you
that. And I am stuborn. That parts qualifies. The rest would only apply to
those that would disagree with me. And to make such out of a typo really
shows you are grasping at straws.

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Once upon a time, Wes Newell > said:
>On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:12:49 +0000, Chris Adams wrote:
>> Harldy; alt.* is pretty much run wild by many Usenet admins. ISC is the
>> repository of known control messages, but they are generally considered
>> the "controlling authority" only for the big-7 groups.
>>
>I wouldn't say run wild.

I don't know what Usenet you are looking at then. Many are on full-auto
for alt.*.

>As I've already pointed out though, there are
>servers that add new groups automatically. They can be alt groups or any
>other, depending on how it is configured. Since I actually set one up and
>configured it to, I think i know wtf I'm talking about.

I set up and ran several servers for years at an ISP (made it up to
about 140 on the top 500 server list IIRC). I've also created groups
before.

>As for isc.org and
>alt groups, you can't request aan alt group from most other servers here
>in the US unless the group is in the active list at isc.org or google
>groups.

I highly doubt anyone uses Google Groups as a group list reference. ISC
is a reference but it is by no means authoritative. There are US
commercial Usenet providers (and others) that add every group so they
can claim the biggest group list.

>> Servers don't "request" groups either.
>>
>I don't know where you get that idea. There's nothing to stop the server
>admin from setting up automated new group request. But that really has
>nothing to do with the topic.

You said a server requested a group, which is not true. A server admin
might, but that's a lot different than a server. Most groups are
requested by users. Usenet is a "push" architecture anyway; servers
generally don't request _anything_ (unless you are running a suck feed
on a leaf node, but that's hardly a real Usenet server).

>I think I also pointed this out. The new group I created was immediately
>created at freenews.netfront.net from the cmsg I sent.

If you didn't discuss it in alt.config (maybe you did but you didn't
mention it), it'll likely get rmgrouped by some, killing it on the
full-auto servers.

And BTW: whoever manages the DNS for freenews.netfront.net is an idiot.
Pointing an MX record at an IP address is a wrong and moronic thing to
do (it doesn't do what they think it does). I wouldn't hold them up as
a shining example of server operation.

>No telling how
>others did so too. The fact that the ones they claim already exist don't
>exist even on these type servers, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that a
>valid csmg was never sent for them.

Again, not true. Besides, where have you shown they don't exist on such
servers? They have been shown to exist in some places; possibly
incorrectly by your standards, but that is Usenet. Pick any two servers
on Usenet and you'll find they don't "agree" on the active group list;
there is no central authority that declares a group valid or invalid.

Your group doesn't exist on the servers I use now; since I don't see it,
by your measure, I can claim it isn't valid either.

>Well, at least you know a *little* about how usenet works. I'll give you
>that. And I am stuborn. That parts qualifies. The rest would only apply to
>those that would disagree with me. And to make such out of a typo really
>shows you are grasping at straws.

No, it shows that when you are on full flame/troll mode, calling others
idiots, you should at least try to proof-read what you write before
sending it. Making that many spelling mistakes in one sentence makes
you look like the idiot. And I still don't know what "stuborn" means.

Saying that "those that would disagree with me" are idiots is the same
as wearing a big "I'm a Usenet troll" sign around your neck. You've
been shown to be wrong on many occasions. When it is pointed out, you
try to change the subject, dodge the topic, or just attack those that
show you to be wrong. You still claim that nobody has shown you to be
wrong on anything here, which is a flat lie.

The sooner you leave for your special group the better.
--
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Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.

[Wes Newell]

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:16:22 +0000, Chris Adams wrote:

> Once upon a time, Wes Newell > said:
>>On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:12:49 +0000, Chris Adams wrote:
>>> Harldy; alt.* is pretty much run wild by many Usenet admins. ISC is the
>>> repository of known control messages, but they are generally considered
>>> the "controlling authority" only for the big-7 groups.
>>>
>>I wouldn't say run wild.
>
> I don't know what Usenet you are looking at then. Many are on full-auto
> for alt.*.
>
So? It's their HD space.;-)

>>As for isc.org and
>>alt groups, you can't request aan alt group from most other servers here
>>in the US unless the group is in the active list at isc.org or google
>>groups.
>
> I highly doubt anyone uses Google Groups as a group list reference. ISC
> is a reference but it is by no means authoritative. There are US
> commercial Usenet providers (and others) that add every group so they
> can claim the biggest group list.
>
Verizon is porbably one the the 10 largest servers in the US. So this
should put your doubts to rest.
---------------------------

Subject: Newsgroup Additions for 23-December-2005
From: Jeremy - Verizon Usenet Admin >
Newsgroups: 0.verizon.announce
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:36:25 GMT

microsoft.public.windows.networking.wireless Will be added
12/23/2005. Found at the ISC.

alt.comics.sluggy-freelance Will not be added. Already
exists on the service.

alt.binaries.pictures.sandra Will not be added. Contains
illegal photographic content.

alt.binaries.pictures.skye Will not be added. Contains
illegal photographic content.

a.b.multimedia.erotica.rimjob Will not be added. Not found
at the ISC or Google Usenet Groups.

alt.binaries.pictures.chelda Will not be added. Not found
at the ISC or Google Usenet Groups.

alt.talk.wikipedia Will not be added. Not found at the
ISC or Google Usenet Groups.

Happy Holidays!


Jeremy - Verizon News Admin

--------------------------

>>I think I also pointed this out. The new group I created was immediately
>>created at freenews.netfront.net from the cmsg I sent.
>
> If you didn't discuss it in alt.config (maybe you did but you didn't
> mention it), it'll likely get rmgrouped by some, killing it on the
> full-auto servers.
>
I don't know of any server that processes rmgroup messages automatically.
Only an idiot would set it up that way. So they can send a 1000 of them
and nothing will happen. They certainly aren't automatically processed at
isc.org. Give it a shot if you don't believe me. But be warned. It might
draw the wrath of many server admin. Once an alt newsgroup is created,
it's near impossible to get removed. The difference between you and I is
that I know this for a fact. Or maybe you know it too and just want to
spread more fud. At one point you seem to know a little and then turn
right around and show your ignorance. Don't quite know what to make of
this.

> And BTW: whoever manages the DNS for freenews.netfront.net is an idiot.
> Pointing an MX record at an IP address is a wrong and moronic thing to
> do (it doesn't do what they think it does). I wouldn't hold them up as
> a shining example of server operation.
>
I don't know squat about them, nor did I claim anywhere they where a
shining anything. Telling me what you don't like about they way they do
things is like talking to a brick wall.

>>No telling how others did so too. The fact that the ones they claim
>>already exist don't exist even on these type servers, prove beyond a
>>shadow of a doubt that a valid csmg was never sent for them.
>
> Again, not true.

And please explain why it isn't true. Any valid cmsg sent is added at the
above server, as you already pointed out yourself as being a bad thing.:-)
Next. Any cmsg sent is also archived at isc.org. Already proved they
aren't there. Now I'm real curious how you'll try and wiggle your way out
of this.

> Besides, where have you shown they don't exist on such
> servers? They have been shown to exist in some places; possibly
> incorrectly by your standards, but that is Usenet. Pick any two servers
> on Usenet and you'll find they don't "agree" on the active group list;
> there is no central authority that declares a group valid or invalid.
>
I never said they couldn't exist somewhere. I just said they weren't valid
groups that anyone else (other users) could request and get from their
servers. Now since I don't have access to all the servers in the worlds
active list, it's quite impossible to say with certainty that some obsure
server in some far corner of the world does have the group. But what I can
and did say is that vertually no one else other than the people that
subscribe to that server has access to it.


> Your group doesn't exist on the servers I use now; since I don't see it,
> by your measure, I can claim it isn't valid either.
>
No. that was never my claim. My claim was they weren't listed at isc.org
and thus not available to the majority of thre worlds population to even
request. that it's not on your server yet, doen't mean it's not avalable
to you. All you have to do to get it is request it, and you'll get it.
That you chose not to do that is your choice. It's certanily valid and
avalable to all. And are you sure someone else hasn't already requested
it? If they have it will be on your server, but not in your list until you
download a new list.


>>Well, at least you know a *little* about how usenet works. I'll give you
>>that. And I am stuborn. That parts qualifies. The rest would only apply
>>to those that would disagree with me. And to make such out of a typo
>>really shows you are grasping at straws.
>
> No, it shows that when you are on full flame/troll mode, calling others
> idiots, you should at least try to proof-read what you write before
> sending it. Making that many spelling mistakes in one sentence makes
> you look like the idiot. And I still don't know what "stuborn" means.
>
Then look up stubborn. it means the same thing. And I couldn't care less
about typos and misspelled words in a forum like this. And I sure as hell
don't equate inteligence with spelling or typing skills. If one does then
by their standards Einstein was an idiot.

> Saying that "those that would disagree with me" are idiots is the same
> as wearing a big "I'm a Usenet troll" sign around your neck.

You can take it any fricking way you want. What it is supposed to mean is
that I'm 100% positive on the subject matter.

> You've been shown to be wrong on many occasions.

Name some of any importance. I like everyone else make mistakes. I'm not
above admitting mine. I haven't made any mistakes (excluding typos and
misspellings) in this whole thread.

> When it is pointed out, you try to change the subject, dodge the topic,
> or just attack those that show you to be wrong. You still claim that
> nobody has shown you to be wrong on anything here, which is a flat lie.
>
You're full of crap. These are the exact tactics taken by others in this
group. Talking about the pot calling the kettle black....

> The sooner you leave for your special group the better.

You're SOL. While I'll participate in the other group, I'll certainly be
around here to to correct all the lying and fud that goes on in this
group. if you no longer wish to see my post, I'd suggest you use your
readers filter to plonk me or quit replying to my post with more fud.

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[Wes Newell]

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:40:55 +0000, Chris Adams wrote:

A lot of garabage not worth responding to.

> For example, when I pointed out that I would not be able to record many
> of the channels I watch with MythTV, such as ESPN-HD, you repeatedly
> said I could via USDTV. I repeatedly pointed out I couldn't, but you
> kept saying I could. Eventually, when proven wrong, you changed your
> story to claim you'd never really read their site (so why did you
> repeatedly claim something you had no clue about?).
>
That's right, but you can record ESPN amd ESPN2 from them. Yes I called to
make sure. IIRC one of you fudsters claimed you couldn't record the
premium channels, and that the premium channels weren't in HD. I didn't
ask them about, but you can certainly record anything out of there box
according to them. And this whole thing of USDTV meant nothing to me. I
just through it pout there because of you peoiple that think you know wtf
you're talking about said I couldn't get cable channels OTA, Proved them
wrong on that so then they started nitpicking at this and that that I
really don't give a **** about since I don't subscribe, and indicated I
would never subscribe to any pay service.

> You tried to imply that I lied when I said I watch virtually no OTA TV
> (a common troll tactic to attack the messenger when you can't attack the
> message).
>
IIRC, I said something like, oh come on now you don't even watch Monday
night football. IIRC you came back with a list of OTA shows you did watch.
So who was really lying? Or is it you don't understand the phrase
"virtually no OTA TV" can mean in really none, or practically none. You
should have been more specific.

> When others have caught you on mis-truths about TiVo, you attack them
> and claim they must be TiVo employees spreading lies and FUD.

When Jeff tried to pass the HR10-250 as a standalone HD recorder to
compare ot MythTv is where this all started. Actually, it started when I
posted a comparison between MythTV and the standalone Tivo and Jeff tried
to pass off the HR10-250 as a standalone HD tivo. And he knew what he was
doing. That's what this is all about. And since I caught him in that act
of deception, he and others have spun their way away from that to other BS
like we're doing now by making false claims and spreading BS.

> You are turning into just another Sean, parroting the same meaningless and/or
> false lines, over and over.

I've seen his post for a long time, and while I might not agree with
all of them, he's certainly entitled to his opinion. And frankly, I agree
with a lot of what he predicts. In the end Tivo will get swallowed up by
the like of all the larger companies. A srapidly as technology advances,
they just haven't kept up. They still don't have an HD Tivo you can buy.
And the HR10-250 does not qualify as a standalone tivo. There are several
brands of disk based HD recorders that have been on the market for some
time. AFAIK, they still never turned a profit after about 7 years. And the
future for them looks dim IMO. But keep waiting on them while I'm here now
doing my recordings in HD.

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[Jack Zwick]

In article >,
(Chris Adams) wrote:

> You tried to imply that I lied when I said I watch virtually no OTA TV
> (a common troll tactic to attack the messenger when you can't attack the
> message).

Yup, Wes Newell needs to obfuscate to coverup he's just to cheap to pay
for TiVo service. Heck, I remember 22 years ago when he was illegally
duplicating Atari 800 cartridges he was too cheap to buy.


Myth is a bear to set up, a bear to keep working, and far more expensive
than TiVo service avoiders will admit, and is no substitute for TiVo.

[Randy S.]

<ignoring all the rest of Wes's drivel>

> They still don't have an HD Tivo you can buy.
> And the HR10-250 does not qualify as a standalone tivo.

Lie number 1. You said you can't buy an HD Tivo. You didn't specify a
*Standalone* HD Tivo, so the HR10-250 certainly does qualify.

As regards an SA HD Tivo, we all know that they could've released one
long ago, but they are waiting for cableCARD 2.0 to finalize so they can
incorporate it, rather than develop a box that will need a redesign in 6
months. There is more to consider here than simply the technological
aspects, there are development costs, business cycles, etc.

>There are several
> brands of disk based HD recorders that have been on the market for some
> time. AFAIK, they still never turned a profit after about 7 years.

Lie #2. While they went into the red (barely!) again in the 3rd quarter
this year, they were profitable for the first time in the 2nd quarter.
You have a bad habit of making claims that you know little to nothing
about, like the USDTV thing (and you *absolutely* claimed that you could
get cable HD channels from them, don't try to weasel out by saying you
don't care about USDTV, you were the one who brought them up). I'm sure
you'll try to weasel out by saying something like "I meant for the whole
year, whine, whine."

> And the
> future for them looks dim IMO. But keep waiting on them while I'm here now
> doing my recordings in HD.

Ok, I'll be sure to put you down as an expert business analyst. Oh,
wait, I don't think so. You've made a complete judgement on the future
of a company based on a few years of past performance (even worse
looking at it as an absolute, not as a trend, which has been an
improving bottom line the entire time) and some opinionated and
incomplete technological development observations. The success of
failure of companies rarely rests on things so simple. There's no
question that Tivo has some challenges ahead, but there are also signs
that Tivo is making headway (the biggest being the deal w/ Comcast).
Those predicting their failure have had a long wait (I think Sean's been
predicting for 5 years or so? This dead companies been walking a
looooong time!).

We'll see in 6 mo. if Tivo does finally release their next gen. of
DVR's. Hopefully cableCARD 2 will have finalized. The hardest question
(technologically) for Tivo, in my mind, is what is the point that they
should give up on cableCARD ever finalizing if the cable companies keep
successfully delaying it.

Randy S.

[Bill Kearney]

> As far as Wes is concerned, his reply should reveal his true colors,
> intentions, and abilities.

Or complete lack thereof.

[Wes Newell]

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:47:39 +0000, Jack Zwick wrote:

> In article >,
> (Chris Adams) wrote:
>
>> You tried to imply that I lied when I said I watch virtually no OTA TV
>> (a common troll tactic to attack the messenger when you can't attack the
>> message).
>
> Yup, Wes Newell needs to obfuscate to coverup he's just to cheap to pay
> for TiVo service. Heck, I remember 22 years ago when he was illegally
> duplicating Atari 800 cartridges he was too cheap to buy.
>
That's BS, just another lie from the peanut gallery. I never duplicated
any Atari cartridges. I did manufacture and sell hardware and
software products for all their products right up to the ST. I sold OS
cards for all of them as well as ram upgrade kits and some software. I'll
admit to having some copies of of software on diskette, but I never
made or sold any duplicated Atari carts. I also may have backed the carts
up to diskette, but that was perfectly legal. I think you have me confused
with someone that I won't name since it has nothing to do with the
subject matter. Intials were JB. I know he did it. And he sold them too.

>
> Myth is a bear to set up, a bear to keep working, and far more expensive
> than TiVo service avoiders will admit, and is no substitute for TiVo.

MythTV is easy to setup if you use the Knoppmyth CD. Just boot the cd,
answer a few questions and the setup is all automatic. You can even run a
frontend right off the cd without installing it. Now unless you call
booting a cd a bear, that's just more fud. Now, if you want to install
the software from scratch as I did, it's more work. Some might call it a
bear to setup, but it wasn't that difficult for me. And what's this about
keeping it working. It works fine here. And it's not expensive at all
unless you want a diamond studded case or the latest greatest CPU, which
is far from needed. A non HD unit can be built with old/used components
for about $100. An HD unit can be built for under $400. That's not much
more than the Lifetime sub price for Tivo which won't do HD. Now all this
is a mute point since Tivo doesn't even have an HD recorder yet. You're
right on the last part though. it's no substitute for a Tvio, since it
does so much more. A Tivo box isn't even close to doing what you can do
with a MythTV box.

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[Wes Newell]

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:03:57 -0500, Randy S. wrote:

> <ignoring all the rest of Wes's drivel>
>
> > They still don't have an HD Tivo you can buy.
>> And the HR10-250 does not qualify as a standalone tivo.
>
> Lie number 1. You said you can't buy an HD Tivo. You didn't specify a
> *Standalone* HD Tivo, so the HR10-250 certainly does qualify.
>
Oh, but I did in the original comparison. And also when Jeff tried to pass
this one off as a standalone Tivo. For Direct TV users it's great, but for
OTA only, it doesn't work. It's a Direct Tivo.

> As regards an SA HD Tivo, we all know that they could've released one
> long ago, but they are waiting for cableCARD 2.0 to finalize so they can
> incorporate it, rather than develop a box that will need a redesign in 6
> months. There is more to consider here than simply the technological
> aspects, there are development costs, business cycles, etc.

I'm glad we all know that. WTF do I care about a cable card. I don't have
cable and never will. My whole comparison was based on OTA HD. Cable an
sat was never a part of it.

>
> >There are several
>> brands of disk based HD recorders that have been on the market for some
>> time. AFAIK, they still never turned a profit after about 7 years.
>
> Lie #2. While they went into the red (barely!) again in the 3rd quarter
> this year, they were profitable for the first time in the 2nd quarter.

Not a lie. You need to look up the definition of a lie. Thank's for
informing me they've had 1 profitable quarter in this time period. I'll
try to remember that if I ever decide to buy some of their stock.:-)

> You have a bad habit of making claims that you know little to nothing
> about, like the USDTV thing (and you *absolutely* claimed that you could
> get cable HD channels from them, don't try to weasel out by saying you
> don't care about USDTV, you were the one who brought them up). I'm sure
> you'll try to weasel out by saying something like "I meant for the whole
> year, whine, whine."
>
No I won't try to weasle out of this. But I also stated I didn't have and
never planned to use their service. I provided a website for those
interested to check on it. I said you could get cable channels OTA from
them, and you can. I thought it was in HD. Someone said they called and it
wasn't, so what. Another one of you said you couldn't record the premium
channels, but that's false too. But I'm sure as hell not going to assume
he's a liar because of that.

>> And the
>> future for them looks dim IMO. But keep waiting on them while I'm here
>> now doing my recordings in HD.
>
> Ok, I'll be sure to put you down as an expert business analyst. Oh,
> wait, I don't think so. You've made a complete judgement on the future
> of a company based on a few years of past performance (even worse
> looking at it as an absolute, not as a trend, which has been an
> improving bottom line the entire time) and some opinionated and
> incomplete technological development observations. The success of
> failure of companies rarely rests on things so simple. There's no
> question that Tivo has some challenges ahead, but there are also signs
> that Tivo is making headway (the biggest being the deal w/ Comcast).
> Those predicting their failure have had a long wait (I think Sean's been
> predicting for 5 years or so? This dead companies been walking a
> looooong time!).
>
Well, I don't think he's being predicting their downfall but about a year
or so now. But I'm sure it seems like forever to Tivo fanatics.:-)

> We'll see in 6 mo. if Tivo does finally release their next gen. of
> DVR's. Hopefully cableCARD 2 will have finalized. The hardest question
> (technologically) for Tivo, in my mind, is what is the point that they
> should give up on cableCARD ever finalizing if the cable companies keep
> successfully delaying it.
>
I wish them the best of luck. I think they will need a lot of it in the
long haul.

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[Randy S.]

Wes Newell wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 09:03:57 -0500, Randy S. wrote:
>
>
>><ignoring all the rest of Wes's drivel>
>>
>> > They still don't have an HD Tivo you can buy.
>>
>>>And the HR10-250 does not qualify as a standalone tivo.
>>
>>Lie number 1. You said you can't buy an HD Tivo. You didn't specify a
>>*Standalone* HD Tivo, so the HR10-250 certainly does qualify.
>>
>
> Oh, but I did in the original comparison. And also when Jeff tried to pass
> this one off as a standalone Tivo. For Direct TV users it's great, but for
> OTA only, it doesn't work. It's a Direct Tivo.

Boy, it's convenient to keep finding excuses. I wasn't discussing the
original comparison and your statement above had no connection to that
comparison. You made an incorrect statement and *yet again* won't face
up to it.

>>As regards an SA HD Tivo, we all know that they could've released one
>>long ago, but they are waiting for cableCARD 2.0 to finalize so they can
>>incorporate it, rather than develop a box that will need a redesign in 6
>>months. There is more to consider here than simply the technological
>>aspects, there are development costs, business cycles, etc.
>
>
> I'm glad we all know that. WTF do I care about a cable card. I don't have
> cable and never will. My whole comparison was based on OTA HD. Cable an
> sat was never a part of it.

Oh, so I suppose that Tivo is supposed to design a custom device for
each and every customer? Just because you don't care about cable
doesn't mean it isn't important. In fact, the vast majority of TV
watchers get their signal from Cable or Satellite, so in fact OTA HD is
actually of less concern to Tivo than the others. It makes very good
sense for Tivo to make sure that Cable customers can get the most of
their product, whether you give a **** or not.

>> >There are several
>>
>>>brands of disk based HD recorders that have been on the market for some
>>>time. AFAIK, they still never turned a profit after about 7 years.
>>
>>Lie #2. While they went into the red (barely!) again in the 3rd quarter
>>this year, they were profitable for the first time in the 2nd quarter.
>
>
> Not a lie. You need to look up the definition of a lie. Thank's for
> informing me they've had 1 profitable quarter in this time period. I'll
> try to remember that if I ever decide to buy some of their stock.:-)

Hmm, weaseling out again I see. Pathetic.

>>You have a bad habit of making claims that you know little to nothing
>>about, like the USDTV thing (and you *absolutely* claimed that you could
>>get cable HD channels from them, don't try to weasel out by saying you
>>don't care about USDTV, you were the one who brought them up). I'm sure
>>you'll try to weasel out by saying something like "I meant for the whole
>>year, whine, whine."
>>
>
> No I won't try to weasle out of this. But I also stated I didn't have and
> never planned to use their service. I provided a website for those
> interested to check on it. I said you could get cable channels OTA from
> them, and you can. I thought it was in HD. Someone said they called and it
> wasn't, so what. Another one of you said you couldn't record the premium
> channels, but that's false too. But I'm sure as hell not going to assume
> he's a liar because of that.

You didn't say you "thought" it was in HD, you said it *was* in HD, and
you reiterated it several times after people refuted it. Saying it the
first time could've been a mistake. Sticking by the statement and never
admitting that you screwed up is misrepresentation and lying.

>>>And the
>>>future for them looks dim IMO. But keep waiting on them while I'm here
>>>now doing my recordings in HD.
>>
>>Ok, I'll be sure to put you down as an expert business analyst. Oh,
>>wait, I don't think so. You've made a complete judgement on the future
>>of a company based on a few years of past performance (even worse
>>looking at it as an absolute, not as a trend, which has been an
>>improving bottom line the entire time) and some opinionated and
>>incomplete technological development observations. The success of
>>failure of companies rarely rests on things so simple. There's no
>>question that Tivo has some challenges ahead, but there are also signs
>>that Tivo is making headway (the biggest being the deal w/ Comcast).
>>Those predicting their failure have had a long wait (I think Sean's been
>>predicting for 5 years or so? This dead companies been walking a
>>looooong time!).
>>
>
> Well, I don't think he's being predicting their downfall but about a year
> or so now. But I'm sure it seems like forever to Tivo fanatics.:-)

OMG! How big of an idiot are you? How about a 2 second search on
google groups:

-----------------------------
Aug 7 2003, 12:20 pm
Newsgroups: alt.video.ptv.tivo
From: Sean <none>
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 12:53:51 -0400
Local: Thurs, Aug 7 2003 11:53 am
Subject: Re: Tivo units and Ebay

On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:07:24 GMT, "randy" > wrote:
>Has anyone bought a TiVo unit off of Ebay?? Just wanted to hear some pro's
>and con's..thx

If you buy one don't get the lifetime subscrition.

As soon as the cable companies start producing their own boxes TIVO
will be history.

TIVO - Dead Company Walking

Sean
----------------

Let's see, let's do the math: 8/7/2003 to 12/31/2005 = 2.4 years. Much
greater than 1 year. Plus that certainly isn't his oldest post stating
such, just the first one more than a year old that I found. Will you
*PLEASE* stop spouting off about things you have no idea about?

>>We'll see in 6 mo. if Tivo does finally release their next gen. of
>>DVR's. Hopefully cableCARD 2 will have finalized. The hardest question
>>(technologically) for Tivo, in my mind, is what is the point that they
>>should give up on cableCARD ever finalizing if the cable companies keep
>>successfully delaying it.
>>
>
> I wish them the best of luck. I think they will need a lot of it in the
> long haul.

Maybe, but they're better off now then they were last January. Things
are looking better, not worse. But corporate/business issues often have
very little to do with technological ones.

Randy S.

[Agave]

Wes Newell wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:16:28 -0500, Agave wrote:
>
>
>> Below is a messages downloaded from my news server; and as you can see
>> *alt.tv.pvr.mythtv* exists. There are also: *comp.multimedia.mythtv*
>> and *gmane.comp.tv.mythtv.user* news groups.
>>
>>
> They may exist on some off the wall server somewhere as I've already
> stated. They just aren't valid for usenet use. And they can't be requested
> on other servers.
>
The news group is hosted by Giganews (http://www.giganews.com/). I
believe anyone, even you Wes, would have a hard time classifying them as
"some off the wall server somewhere".

<snipped>

[Agave]

Wes Newell wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:16:28 -0500, Agave wrote:
>
>
>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>> <html>
>> <head>
>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>> <title></title>
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> </body>
>> </html>
>>
>
> And all this from a person that dumps html onto usenet. Yep, you're a real
> expert.
>
>
Actually, I post in both plain text and HTML. It's just a matter of
being courteous to folks who prefer either format.

[Kurt]

In article >,
Agave > wrote:

> Wes Newell wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:16:28 -0500, Agave wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Below is a messages downloaded from my news server; and as you can see
> >> *alt.tv.pvr.mythtv* exists. There are also: *comp.multimedia.mythtv*
> >> and *gmane.comp.tv.mythtv.user* news groups.
> >>
> >>
> > They may exist on some off the wall server somewhere as I've already
> > stated. They just aren't valid for usenet use. And they can't be requested
> > on other servers.
> >
> The news group is hosted by Giganews (http://www.giganews.com/). I
> believe anyone, even you Wes, would have a hard time classifying them as
> "some off the wall server somewhere".
>
> <snipped>

Yes, but after giving it a quick look-over, it seems to be a haven for
adolescent OT.

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[Wes Newell]

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:03:58 -0500, Agave wrote:

> Wes Newell wrote:
>> And all this from a person that dumps html onto usenet. Yep, you're a real
>> expert.
>>
> Actually, I post in both plain text and HTML. It's just a matter of
> being courteous to folks who prefer either format.

You aren't being courtous you damn fool. This isn't email. HTML isn't
supposed to be used in usenet groups.

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[Mike Hunt]

On 2006-01-01, Wes Newell > wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:03:58 -0500, Agave wrote:
>
>> Wes Newell wrote:
>>> And all this from a person that dumps html onto usenet. Yep, you're a real
>>> expert.
>>>
>> Actually, I post in both plain text and HTML. It's just a matter of
>> being courteous to folks who prefer either format.
>
> You aren't being courtous you damn fool. This isn't email. HTML isn't
> supposed to be used in usenet groups.

Many would say HTML doesn't belong in email either.

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[Bill Kearney]

> Boy, it's convenient to keep finding excuses. I wasn't discussing the
> original comparison and your statement above had no connection to that
> comparison. You made an incorrect statement and *yet again* won't face
> up to it.

Give up on it, Wes is an idiot and no amount of posting by anyone here's
going to change that. From what I gather he's been that way for a looooong
time. Put him in your killfile and move on.

> > No I won't try to weasle out of this. But I also stated I didn't have
and
> > never planned to use their service. I provided a website for those
> > interested to check on it. I said you could get cable channels OTA from
> > them, and you can. I thought it was in HD. Someone said they called and
it
> > wasn't, so what.

So what? You pathetic loser, isn't that the whole point of your ceaseless
tirades, nitpicking on everything? Made worse by being WRONG nearly a 100%
of the time? God lord man, you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging!