1920x1080 over VGA?

[Briton]

Hi all. Just bought a Samsung LE40M HDTV. It has a PC VGA input and it
supports 1080p using this source. I'm going to get a laptop and thought it
would be nice to hook it up with the TV on occasion. Been doing a bit of
research and have noticed some people saying that they wouldn't use VGA for
a resolution of 1920x1080. Has anyone ever got that kind of set up working
successfully or would I be better of getting a laptop with DVI out and using
one of my HDMI inputs?

[diy-newby]

"Briton" (no need for Mail)> wrote in message
...
> Hi all. Just bought a Samsung LE40M HDTV. It has a PC VGA input and it
> supports 1080p using this source. I'm going to get a laptop and thought
> it would be nice to hook it up with the TV on occasion. Been doing a bit
> of research and have noticed some people saying that they wouldn't use VGA
> for a resolution of 1920x1080. Has anyone ever got that kind of set up
> working successfully or would I be better of getting a laptop with DVI out
> and using one of my HDMI inputs?
>
>

If it is the Samsung LE40M86 or 87 then it DOES support 1080p over vga.

[Agent_C]

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:09:07 -0000, "Briton"
(no need for Mail)> wrote:

> Has anyone ever got that kind of set up working
>successfully or would I be better of getting a laptop with DVI out and using
>one of my HDMI inputs?

As long as the video card is capable of 1920x1080 resolution, you
should have no problem connecting it to your HDTV through the VGA
input.

Most any computer sold recently will probably be fine. I recently got
a budget Dell machine for just $400 that has onboard Intel graphics. I
have it rigged up to a Sony XBR4 via the VGA port and it works just
great.

A_C

[Briton]

Agent_C wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:09:07 -0000, "Briton"
> (no need for Mail)> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ever got that kind of set up working
>> successfully or would I be better of getting a laptop with DVI out
>> and using one of my HDMI inputs?
>
> As long as the video card is capable of 1920x1080 resolution, you
> should have no problem connecting it to your HDTV through the VGA
> input.
>
> Most any computer sold recently will probably be fine. I recently got
> a budget Dell machine for just $400 that has onboard Intel graphics. I
> have it rigged up to a Sony XBR4 via the VGA port and it works just
> great.
>
> A_C

Thanks. Thats the thing of thing I'll look out for.

[Briton]

diy-newby wrote:
> "Briton" (no need for Mail)> wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi all. Just bought a Samsung LE40M HDTV. It has a PC VGA input
>> and it supports 1080p using this source. I'm going to get a laptop
>> and thought it would be nice to hook it up with the TV on occasion.
>> Been doing a bit of research and have noticed some people saying
>> that they wouldn't use VGA for a resolution of 1920x1080. Has
>> anyone ever got that kind of set up working successfully or would I
>> be better of getting a laptop with DVI out and using one of my HDMI
>> inputs?
>
> If it is the Samsung LE40M86 or 87 then it DOES support 1080p over
> vga.

Yes, it's the former. I realised that the TV does support it but a couple of
people gave the impression that 1920x1080 was somehow 'pushing' VGA as a
technology. Didn't know if there was any truth in that.

[Ron Stewart]

Some of the latest HP laptops have HDMI outputs. This would input both video
and sound to your computer. They are expensive!

--
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Santa Rosa, Calif.
"Briton" (no need for Mail)> wrote in message
...
> Agent_C wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:09:07 -0000, "Briton"
>> (no need for Mail)> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone ever got that kind of set up working
>>> successfully or would I be better of getting a laptop with DVI out
>>> and using one of my HDMI inputs?
>>
>> As long as the video card is capable of 1920x1080 resolution, you
>> should have no problem connecting it to your HDTV through the VGA
>> input.
>>
>> Most any computer sold recently will probably be fine. I recently got
>> a budget Dell machine for just $400 that has onboard Intel graphics. I
>> have it rigged up to a Sony XBR4 via the VGA port and it works just
>> great.
>>
>> A_C
>
> Thanks. Thats the thing of thing I'll look out for.
>

[GeorgeB]

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:09:07 -0000, "Briton"
(no need for Mail)> wrote:

>Hi all. Just bought a Samsung LE40M HDTV. It has a PC VGA input and it
>supports 1080p using this source. I'm going to get a laptop and thought it
>would be nice to hook it up with the TV on occasion. Been doing a bit of
>research and have noticed some people saying that they wouldn't use VGA for
>a resolution of 1920x1080. Has anyone ever got that kind of set up working
>successfully or would I be better of getting a laptop with DVI out and using
>one of my HDMI inputs?

This isn't your question, but I use VGA for 1600x1200 (92% of the
pixels) with NO problem. I note that Dell allows VGA at your
resolution.

[Briton]

GeorgeB wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:09:07 -0000, "Briton"
> (no need for Mail)> wrote:
>
>> Hi all. Just bought a Samsung LE40M HDTV. It has a PC VGA input
>> and it supports 1080p using this source. I'm going to get a laptop
>> and thought it would be nice to hook it up with the TV on occasion.
>> Been doing a bit of research and have noticed some people saying
>> that they wouldn't use VGA for a resolution of 1920x1080. Has
>> anyone ever got that kind of set up working successfully or would I
>> be better of getting a laptop with DVI out and using one of my HDMI
>> inputs?
>
> This isn't your question, but I use VGA for 1600x1200 (92% of the
> pixels) with NO problem. I note that Dell allows VGA at your
> resolution.

Does the laptop allow you to output a different resolution to the one you
are using for laptop display? Bit of a daft noob question but I've never
used any computer with two displays.

[Lyrik]

Den 23.01.2008 kl. 11:55 skrev Briton > >:


> Does the laptop allow you to output a different resolution to the one
> you
> are using for laptop display? Bit of a daft noob question but I've never
> used any computer with two displays.
........................
I can recommend MacBook for Your use. MacBook is on both screens with
different output resolutions instantly. Windows has some problems. When it
has been turned of one has to adjust every time it turns on.

I love my MacBook in connection with my 42" LG plasma-tv. It is connected
by VGA and sound is connected by mini-stereo-jack. High Def -piece of cake
and sharp picture.


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[Wes Newell]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:40:32 +0100, Lyrik wrote:

> Den 23.01.2008 kl. 11:55 skrev Briton > >:
>
>
>> Does the laptop allow you to output a different resolution to the one
>> you
>> are using for laptop display? Bit of a daft noob question but I've
>> never used any computer with two displays.
> .......................
> I can recommend MacBook for Your use. MacBook is on both screens with
> different output resolutions instantly. Windows has some problems. When
> it has been turned of one has to adjust every time it turns on.
>
> I love my MacBook in connection with my 42" LG plasma-tv. It is
> connected by VGA and sound is connected by mini-stereo-jack. High Def
> -piece of cake and sharp picture.

That sounds great. Can I get one for about $300? That's what the PC I
have connected to my HDTV now cost. It gives an excellent picture and all
but maybe a smaller footprint would be better. I assume it will run
mythtv and work with a separate remote too.

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[GeorgeB]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:55:39 -0000, "Briton"
(no need for Mail)> wrote:

>GeorgeB wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:09:07 -0000, "Briton"
>> (no need for Mail)> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all. Just bought a Samsung LE40M HDTV. It has a PC VGA input
>>> and it supports 1080p using this source. I'm going to get a laptop
>>> and thought it would be nice to hook it up with the TV on occasion.
>>> Been doing a bit of research and have noticed some people saying
>>> that they wouldn't use VGA for a resolution of 1920x1080. Has
>>> anyone ever got that kind of set up working successfully or would I
>>> be better of getting a laptop with DVI out and using one of my HDMI
>>> inputs?
>>
>> This isn't your question, but I use VGA for 1600x1200 (92% of the
>> pixels) with NO problem. I note that Dell allows VGA at your
>> resolution.
>
> Does the laptop allow you to output a different resolution to the one you
>are using for laptop display? Bit of a daft noob question but I've never
>used any computer with two displays.

My comment was solely on the resolution, and is with a Dell Dimension
4550 desktop, on-board video. However, I have a D505 laptop which is
limited to 1024x768 on its display, but will drive an external monitor
at 1280x1024. I've never tried using both simultaneously at different
resolutions that I recall; have had projector on it which was 800x600,
but I believe (this was over a year ago) it accepted 1024x768..

[Lyrik]

Den 23.01.2008 kl. 14:30 skrev Wes Newell >:

> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:40:32 +0100, Lyrik wrote:
>
>> Den 23.01.2008 kl. 11:55 skrev Briton > >:
>>
>>
>>> Does the laptop allow you to output a different resolution to the one
>>> you
>>> are using for laptop display? Bit of a daft noob question but I've
>>> never used any computer with two displays.
>> .......................
>> I can recommend MacBook for Your use. MacBook is on both screens with
>> different output resolutions instantly. Windows has some problems. When
>> it has been turned of one has to adjust every time it turns on.
>>
>> I love my MacBook in connection with my 42" LG plasma-tv. It is
>> connected by VGA and sound is connected by mini-stereo-jack. High Def
>> -piece of cake and sharp picture.
>
> That sounds great. Can I get one for about $300? That's what the PC I
> have connected to my HDTV now cost. It gives an excellent picture and all
> but maybe a smaller footprint would be better. I assume it will run
> mythtv and work with a separate remote too.
.....................
Well the site says:
MythTV is known to work on Linux and Mac OS X (PowerPC and Intel). It does
not run on Windows.

There's a remote with the MacBook intel Core2Duo. And you can use iTunes
to store the films which You then can activate by the remote.
You can see it here in High Def. :
http://www.luen.dk/mac_remote.mov

1680x1050 17.7 MB.


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[Wes Newell]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:21:15 +0100, Lyrik wrote:

> Den 23.01.2008 kl. 14:30 skrev Wes Newell >:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:40:32 +0100, Lyrik wrote:
>>
>>> Den 23.01.2008 kl. 11:55 skrev Briton > >:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Does the laptop allow you to output a different resolution to the
>>>> one
>>>> you
>>>> are using for laptop display? Bit of a daft noob question but I've
>>>> never used any computer with two displays.
>>> .......................
>>> I can recommend MacBook for Your use. MacBook is on both screens with
>>> different output resolutions instantly. Windows has some problems.
>>> When it has been turned of one has to adjust every time it turns on.
>>>
>>> I love my MacBook in connection with my 42" LG plasma-tv. It is
>>> connected by VGA and sound is connected by mini-stereo-jack. High Def
>>> -piece of cake and sharp picture.
>>
>> That sounds great. Can I get one for about $300? That's what the PC I
>> have connected to my HDTV now cost. It gives an excellent picture and
>> all but maybe a smaller footprint would be better. I assume it will run
>> mythtv and work with a separate remote too.
> ....................
> Well the site says:
> MythTV is known to work on Linux and Mac OS X (PowerPC and Intel). It
> does not run on Windows.
>
> There's a remote with the MacBook intel Core2Duo. And you can use iTunes
> to store the films which You then can activate by the remote. You can
> see it here in High Def. :
> http://www.luen.dk/mac_remote.mov
>
> 1680x1050 17.7 MB.

I see why you didn't answer the question now. A price search shows I'd
have to spend a minimum $1500 for a macbook to replace the $300 PC I'm
using now to do the same thing. No thanks, my whole home network of 3
PC's, 6 HDTV tuners, and 1.2TB of storage didn't cost that much.

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[Martull]

"Briton" (no need for Mail)> wrote in
:

> Hi all. Just bought a Samsung LE40M HDTV. It has a PC VGA input and
> it supports 1080p using this source. I'm going to get a laptop and
> thought it would be nice to hook it up with the TV on occasion. Been
> doing a bit of research and have noticed some people saying that they
> wouldn't use VGA for a resolution of 1920x1080. Has anyone ever got
> that kind of set up working successfully or would I be better of
> getting a laptop with DVI out and using one of my HDMI inputs?
>

Hola!!

The VGA (Video Graphic Array) is an analogic connector. I would use, if
possible, a DVI to DHMI interface instead, so the laptop won't have to
convert the digital signal to an analog one, send it in analogic trough the
cable and then, the LCD won't have to convert the analog signal to a
digital one with their correspondent "signal losses" in both signal
conversions

Maybe I am worng with this, but it is how I understand it. Maybe someone
can correct me if I am wrong :)

Martull
@ Madrid

[Jim Wilkins]

On Jan 23, 3:41*pm, "Bill's News" > wrote:
> ...
> A three year old Toshiba P35's native 17" display is 1440x900.
> Its ATI 9000 graphics via VGA will drive a 1920x1080p. *For SD
> (DVD) material, the fan doesn't come on. *For HD material, the
> fan runs quite often

The ATI Radeon 9250 allows up to "3200 by 1200, True Color (32 bit),
60 Hertz".
I don't know if that means VGA as well as DVI.
At 1920 the vertical resolutions listed are 1080, 1200 and 1440.

Jim Wilkins

[Lyrik]

Den 24.01.2008 kl. 09:51 skrev Wes Newell >:

> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:21:15 +0100, Lyrik wrote:
>

> I see why you didn't answer the question now. A price search shows I'd
> have to spend a minimum $1500 for a macbook to replace the $300 PC I'm
> using now to do the same thing. No thanks, my whole home network of 3
> PC's, 6 HDTV tuners, and 1.2TB of storage didn't cost that much.
............
Sorry! I could not answer on the prices in US, as I live in Denmark. I
thought that everything was very cheap in US. Maybe a used MacBook?
But anyway again sorry I bothered You.;-(



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[me@privacy.net]

Wes Newell > wrote:

>I see why you didn't answer the question now. A price search shows I'd
>have to spend a minimum $1500 for a macbook to replace the $300 PC I'm
>using now to do the same thing. No thanks, my whole home network of 3
>PC's, 6 HDTV tuners, and 1.2TB of storage didn't cost that much.

Kid of off thread Wes.... but I was in Walmart recently
and was AMAZED at how cheap you can buy a new desktop
PC for nowadays if you don't need the top end CPU!!

For $300 you could get the eMachines 3644 in link
below. No monitor tho

http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=W3644

For abt $450 they had the Acer T180 which DOES have an
LCD panel

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5969099

Either machine would make a great Myth box...yes?

[me@privacy.net]

Wes Newell > wrote:

> No thanks, my whole home network of 3
>PC's, 6 HDTV tuners, and 1.2TB of storage didn't cost that much.

What are the specs/brands of the three home PC's you
have?

[Wes Newell]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:27:07 -0600, me wrote:

> Kid of off thread Wes.... but I was in Walmart recently and was AMAZED
> at how cheap you can buy a new desktop PC for nowadays if you don't need
> the top end CPU!!
>
> For $300 you could get the eMachines 3644 in link below. No monitor tho
>
> http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=W3644
>
Couldn't find anyone that carries this model at any price on line.
And they could find a store either. Where did you see it for $300?

> For abt $450 they had the Acer T180 which DOES have an LCD panel
>
> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5969099
>
> Either machine would make a great Myth box...yes?

Either would work, but I wouldn't buy either. Why pay so much more. I can
build a dual core for under $300. just picked up a MB/X2-CPU combo at
fry's with the 7050 video chipset for $68. Well, let's see...
MB/CPU $70
1GB ram $20
Case w/PSU $26
KB/Mouse $10
500GB drive $80
DVD writer $30
Software $0
Total $236

And dual core with 3 times the storage space and newer gpu that supports
HDTV decoding.



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[Wes Newell]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:27:51 -0600, me wrote:

> Wes Newell > wrote:
>
>> No thanks, my whole home network of 3
>>PC's, 6 HDTV tuners, and 1.2TB of storage didn't cost that much.
>
> What are the specs/brands of the three home PC's you have?

No brand. I assemble my own. I don't want to spend an hour listing parts
either. They're all AMD dual cores. GF6100, GF6150, and GF7050 MB's. All
6 tuners are Air2PC Rev.02. 2 Connect via VGA, the other with dvi->HDMI
(ran out of vga cables).



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[me@privacy.net]

Wes Newell > wrote:

>> Either machine would make a great Myth box...yes?
>
>Either would work, but I wouldn't buy either. Why pay so much more. I can
>build a dual core for under $300. just picked up a MB/X2-CPU combo at
>fry's with the 7050 video chipset for $68. Well, let's see...
>MB/CPU $70
>1GB ram $20
>Case w/PSU $26
>KB/Mouse $10
>500GB drive $80
>DVD writer $30
>Software $0
>Total $236
>
>And dual core with 3 times the storage space and newer gpu that supports
>HDTV decoding.

Wow!

I didn't realize you could build something better for
same amt of money!

[me@privacy.net]

Wes Newell > wrote:

>> What are the specs/brands of the three home PC's you have?
>
>No brand. I assemble my own.

OK...do you use full size mini tower cases?

Or the newer really small form factor cases? IOW....
how big are the boxes?

[SoCalCommie]

> wrote in message
...
> Wes Newell > wrote:
>
>>> What are the specs/brands of the three home PC's you have?
>>
>>No brand. I assemble my own.
>
> OK...do you use full size mini tower cases?
>
> Or the newer really small form factor cases? IOW....
> how big are the boxes?


He uses the cheapest crap he can buy. BTW his prices are low-balling by
quite a bit. For instance, see if you can find a decent case & power supply
for $26.

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[Wes Newell]

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:30:59 -0600, me wrote:

> Wes Newell > wrote:
>
>>> What are the specs/brands of the three home PC's you have?
>>
>>No brand. I assemble my own.
>
> OK...do you use full size mini tower cases?
>
I use standard cheap cases. I just can't see paying 4 times more for
something less. And when I'm watching TV, I watch the TV, not the case.:-)

> Or the newer really small form factor cases? IOW.... how big are the
> boxes?

Standard middle tower.

http://www.cmicomputer.com/cgi/quikstore.cgi?category=case

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