Bose Acoustimass 16 6.1 Speaker Set

[Mark Riederer]

Anyone have these speakers? I'm thinking about upgrading my speaker system,
and just came back from my local Bose store and was blown away with the
quality of these speakers. Worth it?

Thanks

[The Big Cheese]

Absolutely! They are worth every penny and then some!

You would have to spend thousands of $$$ on so-called "audiophool"
speakers to even get close to an Bose 6.1 system. And then you'd have a
room filled with ugly boxes or panels that would sound no better than
the Bose.

Expect lots of anti-Bose comments to your post: There are many here who
are extremely jealous of Bose's market success and ability to make good
products and these cretins have nothing better to do with their time
except make disparaging remarks about Bose.

Trust your ears: You made an excellent choice!

The Big Cheese

Mark Riederer wrote:
> Anyone have these speakers? I'm thinking about upgrading my speaker system,
> and just came back from my local Bose store and was blown away with the
> quality of these speakers. Worth it?
>
> Thanks
>
>

[Derek MacPhail]

"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message
...
> Absolutely! They are worth every penny and then some!
>
> You would have to spend thousands of $$$ on so-called "audiophool"
> speakers to even get close to an Bose 6.1 system. And then you'd have a
> room filled with ugly boxes or panels that would sound no better than
> the Bose.
>
> Expect lots of anti-Bose comments to your post: There are many here who
> are extremely jealous of Bose's market success and ability to make good
> products and these cretins have nothing better to do with their time
> except make disparaging remarks about Bose.
>
> Trust your ears: You made an excellent choice!
>
> The Big Cheese
>
> Mark Riederer wrote:
> > Anyone have these speakers? I'm thinking about upgrading my speaker
system,
> > and just came back from my local Bose store and was blown away with the
> > quality of these speakers. Worth it?
> >
> > Thanks

I think there needs to be a Bose archive so that space isn't wasted on yet
another "Bose is great" vs "Bose sucks" debate.

Mark: Do a search in this ng and read the past posts, flames and
troll-baits.

Cheers, Derek

[Scot Gardner]

"Derek MacPhail" > wrote in message
...

> I think there needs to be a Bose archive so that space isn't wasted
> on yet another "Bose is great" vs "Bose sucks" debate.
>
> Mark: Do a search in this ng and read the past posts, flames and
> troll-baits.
>
> Cheers, Derek


In the meantime, here's a good Bose archive called,

BOSE Acoustimass - Better Profit Margins Through Shortcuts.

http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

[The Big Cheese]

This site is filled with nothing but lies, negative innuendoes, and
half-truths. It has been reported to the Bose legal department and it
will soon be shut down.

Don't **** with Amar.

The Big Cheese

Scot Gardner wrote:
>
> In the meantime, here's a good Bose archive called,
>
> BOSE Acoustimass - Better Profit Margins Through Shortcuts.
>
> http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

[Stereophile]

Cheeseburger,

I think I've got this figured out: You're married to one of Amar's
daughters and troll this group trying to protect your family
inheritance, right?

I have to admit your father-in-law has really done a superb job of
selling dog **** wrapped in Baby Ruth wrappers - Ain't no one better at
doing what he does and my hat's off to him for his marketing prowness.
You can't go into any Sam's Club, Costco, or Best Buy these days without
running into one of his crappy 5.1 displays cranked up to an insane level.

But sound quality? Even Van Gogh would pick something better than Bose
to listen too. My guess is he heard an early Bose 901 prototype and
that's why he cut his friggin' ear off!

What you fail to understand is that Bose is like the Ripple or Night
Train Express or Thunderbird of the audio world: If you've never tasted
wine before, you'd like the sickly sweet taste of these rot gut wines,
but then 99.999999999999% of people move on to a decent burgundy,
merlot, chabils or chardonnay.

The people that would waste their money on say a Lifestyle 50 are just
plain nuts when there's *so much better* gear to choose from.

But nothing I say will change your mind. As you've so eloquently called
others here, you're nothing but a pathetic putz who can't hear.

Stereophile, a music lover and not the magazine

The Big Cheese wrote:
> Absolutely! They are worth every penny and then some!
>
> You would have to spend thousands of $$$ on so-called "audiophool"
> speakers to even get close to an Bose 6.1 system. And then you'd have a
> room filled with ugly boxes or panels that would sound no better than
> the Bose.
>
> Expect lots of anti-Bose comments to your post: There are many here who
> are extremely jealous of Bose's market success and ability to make good
> products and these cretins have nothing better to do with their time
> except make disparaging remarks about Bose.
>
> Trust your ears: You made an excellent choice!
>
> The Big Cheese
>
> Mark Riederer wrote:
>
>> Anyone have these speakers? I'm thinking about upgrading my speaker
>> system,
>> and just came back from my local Bose store and was blown away with the
>> quality of these speakers. Worth it?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>

[Richard C.]

"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message
...
: This site is filled with nothing but lies, negative innuendoes, and
: half-truths. It has been reported to the Bose legal department and it
: will soon be shut down.
:
: Don't **** with Amar.
:
: The Big Cheese
:
: Scot Gardner wrote:
: >
: > In the meantime, here's a good Bose archive called,
: >
: > BOSE Acoustimass - Better Profit Margins Through Shortcuts.
: >
: > http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html
:
=======================
It looks EXTREMELY accurate to me.
It points out the "snake oil" aspects of Bose and their phony marketing.

Great web site.

Bose would have NO real basis to shut it down.
Reviews and accurate information such as this site has is its own defense.

============================

[Steve Grauman]

<< It looks EXTREMELY accurate to me.
It points out the "snake oil" aspects of Bose and their phony marketing.
>>

It is accurate. The Big Cheese is just a Bose fanatic, scared to death of any
anti-bose (what I like to call, The Truth) being shared on the Internet. I've
had enough experiances with Bose to tell you that 99% of the info on that
website is dead on. In addition, the guy who wrote the site is primarily just
voicing his opinion, something Bose can't do anything about. If you have a good
reciever with a powerful built in amp, you can get decent sound out of the 701
and 901 speakers. But they still won't match or beat the vast majority of other
speakers in their price range.

<< Bose would have NO real basis to shut it down. >>

Bose can't shut it down unless they could somenehow pin it in court as liable,
which it is obviously not. 50% of the stuff on that site is his opinion, the
other 50% is based in fact, backed by examining the speakers, and measuring
response with equipment that doesn't lie. People that invest in Bose just get a
little touchy when reality comes to bite them in the face and wallet. It's
impossible to deny readings that show Bose's "subwoofer" is incapable of
picking up frequencys over a massive 80hz gap between the speaker rolloff and
the "subwoofers" engagement.

[Steve Grauman]

<< Sorry I asked. >>

Don't be, this isn't your fault. The Big Cheese is a Bose fanatic who'll deny
the truth at every turn to sell you on his product of choice. The bottom line
is, most of us loathe Bose, and for good reason. But *you* are the one buying
and paying for the new speakers, *you* are the one that has to use them, and
enjoy them. Demo everything, and if Bose is your choice, then take the Bose and
be happy.

[freespeech]

> > wrote:
>
>It has been reported to the Bose legal department and it
>will soon be shut down.

Bose will never shut down free speech, not in our country. The best Bose can
do to improve its speaker image, is to make better ones. I had a set of
501's. Got rid of them. I thought they were junk. Besides, Have you noticed
that Bose never publishes the frequency responses of its speakers. Did you
ever ask yourself why that is? Methinks because they have nothing to brag
about.

[Scot Gardner]

"freespeech" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> > > wrote:
> >
> >It has been reported to the Bose legal department and it
> >will soon be shut down.
>
> Bose will never shut down free speech, not in our country. The best
> Bose can do to improve its speaker image, is to make better ones.
> I had a set of 501's. Got rid of them. I thought they were junk.
> Besides, Have you noticed that Bose never publishes the frequency
> responses of its speakers. Did you ever ask yourself why that is?
> Methinks because they have nothing to brag about.


I particularly liked this part of the essay on why Bose has one less
thing to brag about -- no THX certification:

GOT THX?:

"Considering the large emphasis on marketing that Bose places on its
products as well as the ostentatious boasting of "innovation" and
"performance", I am curious as to why none, count them: ZERO, of their
speakers are THX-certified. George Lucas offers certification to any
product from any company willing to undergo the scrutiny of his tests.
I'm sure Dr. Amar Bose has brought in many Bose speakers to the
Skywalker Ranch for certification only to have them rejected time and
time again. I am no fan of THX-Certification myself; However, no one can
deny that it is perhaps the singly most powerful marketing tool in the
entire industry. One tool that Dr. Bose would not have overlooked, but
again, one that he could not obtain for himself."

http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

And sure enough, you can go to the THX website and click on the
drop-down lists. No Bose products will be found.

http://www.thx.com/mod/products/productFind.html

[Robert L. Bass]

> This site is filled with nothing but lies, negative innuendoes, and
> half-truths. It has been reported to the Bose legal department and it
> will soon be shut down.

I was recruited by Bose many years ago to sell their Acoustimass system to
builders and new home buyers. Having read the website in question I can
confirm at least some of what is said. Bose does indeed carefully select
only certain tracks to demo their equipment. We were told which specific
CD's to bring to a demo, which tracks to play and in what sequence. Bose
even had a scripted sales pitch. I never followed the script (not my
style).

Bose also does insist that their products be displayed away from competing
brands. The cubes do use cheap, paper cone drivers which no other major
(read "serious) audio manufacturer uses. The Acoustimass bass unit we were
given was made of cheap wood fiber (what one of my techs dubbed "beaver
****"). Listening to the Bose system next to several other similarly priced
systems, we noticed much clearer, more life-like audio from competing
brands.

Regards,
Robert

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[The Big Cheese]

Shaun, Shaun,

You are so naive - You can't be more than 12, right?

It is BECAUSE this IS the USA that Bose will get this site shut down.
It's not about who's right, it's about who can spend the most on their
attorneys!

Bose will spends thousands of $$$ to press their case. Do you think the
poor putz who wrote this disinformation and hosts the site has the same
deep pockets?

It's the American way: It's not about who's right, it's about who has
the deepest pockets.

Just one more reason Bose is NUMBER ONE!

The Big Cheese (chuckling while the Bose Legal Department gets cranked up)

Shaun wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:16:24 -0400, The Big Cheese
> > wrote:
>
>
>>It has been reported to the Bose legal department and it
>>will soon be shut down.
>
>
>
> FU, ill host it next. This is the USA, not the CCP !

[The Big Cheese]

Yes. I suppose we should believe you since you're a malcontent
ex-employee with an ax to grind.

How long did you work for Bose before they fired you for not following
their policies?

You have ZERO credibility.

The Big Cheese

Robert L. Bass wrote:
>>This site is filled with nothing but lies, negative innuendoes, and
>>half-truths. It has been reported to the Bose legal department and it
>>will soon be shut down.
>
>
> I was recruited by Bose many years ago to sell their Acoustimass system to
> builders and new home buyers. Having read the website in question I can
> confirm at least some of what is said. Bose does indeed carefully select
> only certain tracks to demo their equipment. We were told which specific
> CD's to bring to a demo, which tracks to play and in what sequence. Bose
> even had a scripted sales pitch. I never followed the script (not my
> style).
>
> Bose also does insist that their products be displayed away from competing
> brands. The cubes do use cheap, paper cone drivers which no other major
> (read "serious) audio manufacturer uses. The Acoustimass bass unit we were
> given was made of cheap wood fiber (what one of my techs dubbed "beaver
> ****"). Listening to the Bose system next to several other similarly priced
> systems, we noticed much clearer, more life-like audio from competing
> brands.
>
> Regards,
> Robert
>
> =============================>
> Bass Home Electronics, Inc
> 2291 Pine View Circle
> Sarasota · Florida · 34231
> 877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
> 941-925-9747 Fax
> 941-232-0791 Wireless
> Nextel Private ID - 161*21755*1
> http://www.bass-home.com
> =============================>
>
>
>
>

[The Big Cheese]

So you buy speakers on published frequency responses instead of how they
sound?

You are a advertising copywriters dream: You'll believe whatever
bull**** they can write.

Bose customers don't need the "crutch" of published frequency responses:
They are secure enough to trust their ears and what they hear during
the Bose demos.

You "audiophools," on the other hand, are pathetic insecure little
putzes that cannot hear and have to have response curves, etc., to
justify your purchases.

The Big Happy Cheese

freespeech wrote:
> wrote:
>>
>>It has been reported to the Bose legal department and it
>>will soon be shut down.
>
>
> Bose will never shut down free speech, not in our country. The best Bose can
> do to improve its speaker image, is to make better ones. I had a set of
> 501's. Got rid of them. I thought they were junk. Besides, Have you noticed
> that Bose never publishes the frequency responses of its speakers. Did you
> ever ask yourself why that is? Methinks because they have nothing to brag
> about.
>
>

[Derek MacPhail]

"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message
...
> As you have discovered, there are a lot of whackos in this group

You've got that right!

Mark: Stay away from The Big Cheese.

Cheers, Derek

[Robert L. Bass]

> Yes. I suppose we should believe you since you're a malcontent
> ex-employee with an ax to grind.

Sorry, friend, but that's not quite right. Perhaps I failed to make myself
clear in my earlier post. I never worked as a Bose employee. I owned an
installing firm in Connecticut for many years. We sold and installed
security, CCTV, intercom and whole-house music systems. For a while we sold
Bose products. When I learned more about their products and the higher
quality competing brands that were available we dropped Bose.

> How long did you work for Bose before they fired you
> for not following their policies?

Not for a single second. I'm way too arrogant to work for someone else.
Besides, I make a better living running my own business. Sorry if I didn't
make myself understood in the earlier post.

> You have ZERO credibility.

Hmm. I disagree with you, friend. Does that mean we must impugne one
another's credibility?

> The Big Cheese

Regards,
Robert

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2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
941-925-9747 Fax
941-232-0791 Wireless
Nextel Private ID - 161*21755*1
http://www.bass-home.com
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[Ransack The Elder]

"Mark Riederer" > wrote in message
...
> Sorry I asked.

You'll be even sorrier if you buy those crappy Bose speakers. Do yourself a
huge favor and get to a real stereo shop and check out some speakers
Paradigm, B&W, Mirage, Energy, PSB and you'll be surpised how much better
you can do for your money.

Bose does not use subwoofers.
Bose does not use tweeters.
Bose does not use crossovers. Starting to sound like a clock radio, isn't
it?

That's three big reasons right there to AVOID Bose.

[Ransack The Elder]

"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message
...
> Mark,

>
> As you have discovered, there are a lot of whackos in this group

Actually, there's just one..eh, Cheese?!

[Ransack The Elder]

"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message
...
> So you buy speakers on published frequency responses instead of how they
> sound?

Well, if you were buying a car and you read 39,390 reviews on that car that
said "this car rides like a lawn tractor" then every car magazine said "this
car is a pile of ****" then everything on TV says "avoid this car at all
costs" would you go and buy that car?

Yes, you probably would becuase you're a great fool. However, the rest of us
are not great fools, therefore would tend to listen to the professionals on
the matter.

[The Big Cheese]

Hey, Stupidophool, you're just another Bose-Basher who is obviously
jealous of their marketing success.

And no, I'm not married to one of Amar's daughters, though I *do* know
some of the family (and we'll just leave it at that).

I happen to have a great deal of respect for Amar and his "rags to
riches" story and how he built his company when he was a professor.

And you're just another of the vast unwashed masses of drug store
audiophool whiner wanna-bes who are jealous that Amar could build a
company and a marketing organization that people like Arnie Nudell, Jim
Winey, Matthew Polk, Saul Marantz, Mark Levinson, Nelson Pass, Frank
McIntosh, etc., can/could only dream about.

These people all had the same shot at the marketplace that Amar did and
guess who won because they build the best product (OK, Matthew Polk's
probably the second-place runner-up and he at least advertises in
non-audiophool publications)? So I guess that makes them second-place
companies making second-place products, right?

And your wine comment is without merit: Bose conducts more market
research annually than all the other audio companies combined and I know
for a fact they have a HIGHER percentage of return customers than any
other audio company. So what does that tell you? People come back to
Bose because it's a good value and they like what they hear. No other
audio company has as many loyal customers as Bose. So your wine
argument just turned to vinegar, putz.

The audio marketplace has voted with its disposable income and they're
not buying your audiophool products, stupidophool.

The Big Cheese

Stereophile wrote:
> Cheeseburger,
>
> I think I've got this figured out: You're married to one of Amar's
> daughters and troll this group trying to protect your family
> inheritance, right?
>
> I have to admit your father-in-law has really done a superb job of
> selling dog **** wrapped in Baby Ruth wrappers - Ain't no one better at
> doing what he does and my hat's off to him for his marketing prowness.
> You can't go into any Sam's Club, Costco, or Best Buy these days without
> running into one of his crappy 5.1 displays cranked up to an insane level.
>
> But sound quality? Even Van Gogh would pick something better than Bose
> to listen too. My guess is he heard an early Bose 901 prototype and
> that's why he cut his friggin' ear off!
>
> What you fail to understand is that Bose is like the Ripple or Night
> Train Express or Thunderbird of the audio world: If you've never tasted
> wine before, you'd like the sickly sweet taste of these rot gut wines,
> but then 99.999999999999% of people move on to a decent burgundy,
> merlot, chabils or chardonnay.
>
> The people that would waste their money on say a Lifestyle 50 are just
> plain nuts when there's *so much better* gear to choose from.
>
> But nothing I say will change your mind. As you've so eloquently called
> others here, you're nothing but a pathetic putz who can't hear.
>
> Stereophile, a music lover and not the magazine
>
> The Big Cheese wrote:
>
>> Absolutely! They are worth every penny and then some!
>>
>> You would have to spend thousands of $$$ on so-called "audiophool"
>> speakers to even get close to an Bose 6.1 system. And then you'd have
>> a room filled with ugly boxes or panels that would sound no better
>> than the Bose.
>>
>> Expect lots of anti-Bose comments to your post: There are many here
>> who are extremely jealous of Bose's market success and ability to make
>> good products and these cretins have nothing better to do with their
>> time except make disparaging remarks about Bose.
>>
>> Trust your ears: You made an excellent choice!
>>
>> The Big Cheese
>>
>> Mark Riederer wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have these speakers? I'm thinking about upgrading my speaker
>>> system,
>>> and just came back from my local Bose store and was blown away with the
>>> quality of these speakers. Worth it?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[Ransack The Elder]

"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message
...
> Hey, Stupidophool, you're just another Bose-Basher who is obviously
> jealous of their marketing success.
>
> And no, I'm not married to one of Amar's daughters, though I *do* know
> some of the family (and we'll just leave it at that).

Ah, so you clean his pool and empty the septic tank. I see now.

[Steve Grauman]

<< It's not about who's right, it's about who can spend the most on their
attorneys! >>

So you're admitting the site is truthful then?

[Steve Grauman]

<< If they truly made nothing but crap, people
would ultimately quit buying their products. >>

Just like people will stop buying KIAs and Sansui televisions?

[Richard C.]

"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message
...
: So you buy speakers on published frequency responses instead of how they
: sound?
:
: You are a advertising copywriters dream: You'll believe whatever
: bull**** they can write.
:
: Bose customers don't need the "crutch" of published frequency responses:
: They are secure enough to trust their ears and what they hear during
: the Bose demos.
:
: You "audiophools," on the other hand, are pathetic insecure little
: putzes that cannot hear and have to have response curves, etc., to
: justify your purchases.
:
: The Big Happy Cheese
:

=========================
Bose makes cheap, pathetic crap that is INCAPABLE of reproducing sound accurately!
They then sell it at GROSSLY inflated prices.

It is pure ****. End of Story!

[Richard C.]

"The Big Cheese" > wrote in message
...
: Shaun, Shaun,
:
: You are so naive - You can't be more than 12, right?
:
: It is BECAUSE this IS the USA that Bose will get this site shut down.
: It's not about who's right, it's about who can spend the most on their
: attorneys!
:
======================
That is the first truthful thing you have ever said:
"It's not about who's right, it's about who can spend the most on their attorneys"

That is a direct parallel to Bose in general:
"It's not about being good speakers, it's about who can spend the most on their
advertising"

[Piotr Kavkovics]

"Ronald Gmiterek" > wrote in message

> This is just an opinion. I'm just a beginner, and I was reading all this
> bashing about Bose.

No bashing. It's all true.

[Bobo]

"Derek MacPhail" > wrote in message

> Perhaps those of us who don't care for Bose - admittedly, I am one of
them -
> should add the following signature to all of our posts:
>
> "Friends don't let friends buy Bose."

I second that

[Randy S]

No highs, no lows, must be Bose.

Randy

[Paul W]

"Ronald Gmiterek" > wrote in message >...
> OK!
>
> This is just an opinion. I'm just a beginner, and I was reading all this
> bashing about Bose. I really can't say much about them. But I've heard them,
> and for the size they trully do sound amazing.

To me they just sounded loud not amazing. Anything can sound loud.
My Energy 5.2 sounds much better and they are not that much bigger.
Try asking a saleman to put Bose speaker next to one of the other
speakers listed here side by side in the same room and have them
switch back and forth between them and see what you think. Of course
Bose has an agreement with the store to not to do that. Makes you
wonder why, when no one else I know does that.

> I just want to know, why people waste their time just bashing something that
> somebody else likes, it is just a waste of time (good for laughs for us
> people reading it).

Because Bose is that bad compaired to other products, that it ****es
people off who are really into this stuff.

If Toyota could convince people that their lowest end car was as good
as a high end BMW, for example, and starting charging people $60,000+
for the car and people were buying them. Don't you think they would
start to be ragged on by car lovers who asked about them...

BTY, I own 2 Toyota's so please don't kill me for using them in my
example...

Paul W

[UnionPac2001]

>BTY, I own 2 Toyota's so please don't kill me for using them in my
>example...
>
>Paul W

Okay, but can we kill you for OWNING
2 Toyotas?

[Scott H]

>> This is just an opinion. I'm just a beginner, and I was reading all this
>> bashing about Bose. I really can't say much about them. But I've heard them,
>> and for the size they trully do sound amazing.
>
>To me they just sounded loud not amazing. Anything can sound loud.
>My Energy 5.2 sounds much better and they are not that much bigger.
>Try asking a saleman to put Bose speaker next to one of the other
>speakers listed here side by side in the same room and have them
>switch back and forth between them and see what you think. Of course
>Bose has an agreement with the store to not to do that. Makes you
>wonder why, when no one else I know does that.

A few weeks back, I happened to stop by the store where I bought all
my speakers. So my salesman tells me, you hafta check this out (and
remember, he's already sold me all the speakers I'm going to buy, so
this is for fun, not to make a sale).

They had sold and installed a complete system to a guy who had one of
the Bose systems, and he told them to take it, and do whatever they
wanted with them (not sure of any model numbers - they were the small
cube speakers). So, they hooked them up in their demo room. He played
the Bose, then played the cheapest pair of Paradigm's they carried -
the Cinema series, which run not that much over $100/pr (don't quote
me on the price).

Compared to even those cheap Paradigms (which are a great sounding
speaker for the price point and size, btw), the Bose sounded like an
overhead loudspeaker at Kmart. I couldn't believe how much worse the
Bose sounded...

(I happen to own Paradigm, but do not own the Cinema series myself -
his point was to demo them against the absolute cheapest pair of
speakers they carried)

to reply, remove "nospamremove" from address

[Paul W]

(UnionPac2001) wrote in message >...
> >BTY, I own 2 Toyota's so please don't kill me for using them in my
> >example...
> >
> >Paul W
>
> Okay, but can we kill you for OWNING
> 2 Toyotas?

They work for me, and work and work... Your not one of those buy
American cars only people, are you?

PW

[Phil Harmonic]

"Randy Howard" > wrote in message

> Bose cubes are
> the cheapest speaker on the market to produce, they just have a
> very high MSRP and margin vs COGS.


Thas what I'm sayyin'

[UnionPac2001]

>> Okay, but can we kill you for OWNING
>> 2 Toyotas?
>
>They work for me, and work and work... Your not one of those buy
>American cars only people, are you?
>
>PW
>

Just a joke!

[Robert L. Bass]

> Which is more patriotic?
>
> 1. Buying a Chevrolet that was made in Mexico?
>
> 2. Buying a Toyota that was made in California?

The answer is different if you're Japanese, Mexican or American. Of course
you could also buy a Ford that's made in Hiroshima, Japan. Come to think of
it, doesn't Honda have a plant in Ohio.

[Derek MacPhail]

"Robert L. Bass" > wrote in message
...
> > Which is more patriotic?
> >
> > 1. Buying a Chevrolet that was made in Mexico?
> >
> > 2. Buying a Toyota that was made in California?
>
> The answer is different if you're Japanese, Mexican or American. Of
course
> you could also buy a Ford that's made in Hiroshima, Japan. Come to think
of
> it, doesn't Honda have a plant in Ohio.
>

I'm not sure how current this info is, but Honda has manufacturing in
Marysville, East Liberty, Anna, and Russells Point - all in Ohio.

Cheers, Derek

[Paul W]

"Scot Gardner" > wrote in message >...
> "Paul W" > wrote in message
> om...
> > (UnionPac2001) wrote in message
> >...
>
> > Okay, but can we kill you for OWNING
> > 2 Toyotas?
>
> <<They work for me, and work and work... Your not one of those buy
> American cars only people, are you? PW>>
>
> Which is more patriotic?
>
> 1. Buying a Chevrolet that was made in Mexico?
>
> 2. Buying a Toyota that was made in California?

Hmmm... well, if work at that plant in CA or at Chevy HQ you would
think that buying that car is darn patriotic. No car that I know of
has every part made, assembled and has their company HQ in the USA.

PW