JVC HM-DH30000U firewire to PC?

[Dave Oldridge]

Anyone here have any experience with connecting the HM-DH30000U i.LINK port
to a PC, either directly or through some intermediate box? What I'd like
to do is make DVD copies of D-VHS tapes (or DVD-ROM copies in the event of
HDTV tapes).


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[Me]

How do you like that deck? How do you hook it up to you're HD
source?

Thanks!



On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:08:18 GMT, Dave Oldridge
> wrote:

>Anyone here have any experience with connecting the HM-DH30000U i.LINK port
>to a PC, either directly or through some intermediate box? What I'd like
>to do is make DVD copies of D-VHS tapes (or DVD-ROM copies in the event of
>HDTV tapes).

[Jeff Rife]

Dave Oldridge ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
> Anyone here have any experience with connecting the HM-DH30000U i.LINK port
> to a PC, either directly or through some intermediate box?

I haven't done it myself, but reports say it is easy if:

- you have Windows XP as your OS
- you have a program on the PC that understands HD and the recorder...the
software that comes with the MyHD card does this, but there are others
that are free like DVHSTool

> What I'd like
> to do is make DVD copies of D-VHS tapes (or DVD-ROM copies in the event of
> HDTV tapes).

With what I listed above, you can get the HD transport stream from the
D-VHS to the PC. After that, you need to use some other program to
extract the raw MPEG-2 data and convert it to DVD MPEG-2 format (720x480).
If you want to save the HD MPEG-2 or transport stream on DVD-R/RW, that's
just a normal burn of data files, and is simple.

--
Jeff Rife | "I've never understood the female capacity to
SPAM bait: | avoid a direct answer to any question."
|
| -- Mr. Spock, "This Side of Paradise"

[Dave Oldridge]

Me > wrote in
:

>
> How do you like that deck? How do you hook it up to you're HD
> source?

Actually, I don't. At least not unless I can get something to turn
component video into IEEE 1394. My HD source is a satellite box that has
no 1394 port on it. I just got the deck a couple of days ago, mainly for
recording SD in digital form and for playing back some legacy VHS stuff
that I have. But, if I could connect it to the PC, I could at least go
from the Sat box's Svideo port to digital tape and then use the VCR to edit
it onto a DVD image in the computer....

The unit will, of course, play back DTheater video tapes in 1080i.



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A false witness is worse than no witness at all.

[Dave Oldridge]

Jeff Rife > wrote in
:

> Dave Oldridge ) wrote in
> alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
>> Anyone here have any experience with connecting the HM-DH30000U
>> i.LINK port to a PC, either directly or through some intermediate
>> box?
>
> I haven't done it myself, but reports say it is easy if:
>
> - you have Windows XP as your OS
> - you have a program on the PC that understands HD and the
> recorder...the
> software that comes with the MyHD card does this, but there are
> others that are free like DVHSTool
>
>> What I'd
>> like
>> to do is make DVD copies of D-VHS tapes (or DVD-ROM copies in the
>> event of HDTV tapes).
>
> With what I listed above, you can get the HD transport stream from the
> D-VHS to the PC. After that, you need to use some other program to
> extract the raw MPEG-2 data and convert it to DVD MPEG-2 format
> (720x480). If you want to save the HD MPEG-2 or transport stream on
> DVD-R/RW, that's just a normal burn of data files, and is simple.

Thanks, Jeff. This is encouraging because I already have some of the
stuff. I see a system in the local store that is supposed to have all
the necessary hardware and software for this (though my OS is Win2K Pro,
not XP).




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ICQ 1800667

A false witness is worse than no witness at all.

[Del Mibbler]

Dave Oldridge > wrote:

>Me > wrote in
:
>
>>
>> How do you like that deck? How do you hook it up to you're HD
>> source?
>
>Actually, I don't. At least not unless I can get something to turn
>component video into IEEE 1394. My HD source is a satellite box that has
>no 1394 port on it. I just got the deck a couple of days ago, mainly for
>recording SD in digital form and for playing back some legacy VHS stuff
>that I have. But, if I could connect it to the PC, I could at least go
>from the Sat box's Svideo port to digital tape and then use the VCR to edit
>it onto a DVD image in the computer....
>
>The unit will, of course, play back DTheater video tapes in 1080i.

You the only person I've heard of that bought a D-VHS to record SD.
The MyHD tuner card can save HD transport streams to either a hard
drive or to a D-VHS over Firewire. Although the JVC 30K can play back
directly to component, the MyHD can also show tape playback over
Firewire and output through your computer's video, component or (with
optional daughter card) DVI. Unfortunately it's not easy to archive
from disk to tape. Or if it is, I haven't figured out how except by
trickery.

Some standalone tuners do have Firewire outputs. The LG LST-3410A
tuner/DVR does, it specifically supports the JVC 30K, and it's very
easy to archive from disk to tape. It has other problems, both design
and reliability, but I wouldn't part with mine.

Del Mibbler >

[\Guest\]

"Jeff Rife" > wrote in message
...
> Dave Oldridge ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
> > Anyone here have any experience with connecting the HM-DH30000U i.LINK
port
> > to a PC, either directly or through some intermediate box?
>
> I haven't done it myself, but reports say it is easy if:
>
> - you have Windows XP as your OS
> - you have a program on the PC that understands HD and the recorder...the
> software that comes with the MyHD card does this, but there are others
> that are free like DVHSTool
>
> > What I'd
like
> > to do is make DVD copies of D-VHS tapes (or DVD-ROM copies in the event
of
> > HDTV tapes).
>
> With what I listed above, you can get the HD transport stream from the
> D-VHS to the PC. After that, you need to use some other program to
> extract the raw MPEG-2 data and convert it to DVD MPEG-2 format (720x480).
> If you want to save the HD MPEG-2 or transport stream on DVD-R/RW, that's
> just a normal burn of data files, and is simple.
>
> --
> Jeff Rife | "I've never understood the female capacity to
> SPAM bait: | avoid a direct answer to any question."
> |
> | -- Mr. Spock, "This Side of Paradise"

Is it possible(have you tried?) to playback an S-VHS tape and record it out
of a digital connection or doe sit have to go analog? In a way, if you have
to watch it to record it, it does not really matter. Any improvements in
picture quality on S-VHS tapes?

[Jeff Rife]

"Guest" ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
> Is it possible(have you tried?) to playback an S-VHS tape and record it out
> of a digital connection or doe sit have to go analog?

The JVC D-VHS doesn't send any data out the IEEE-1394 unless the source
is already digital. So, no, you can't play back S-VHS and capture it as
digital on the computer. You can record from the S-Video input on the
JVC to D-VHS tape, and then move *that* over to the PC. It will only be
SD, of course, but otherwise it will work.

--
Jeff Rife | "Ho! Ha, ha! Guard! Turn! Parry!
SPAM bait: | Dodge! Spin! Ha! Thrust!"
|
| -- Daffy Duck, "Robin Hood Daffy"

[\Guest\]

"Jeff Rife" > wrote in message
...
> "Guest" ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
> > Is it possible(have you tried?) to playback an S-VHS tape and record it
out
> > of a digital connection or doe sit have to go analog?
>
> The JVC D-VHS doesn't send any data out the IEEE-1394 unless the source
> is already digital. So, no, you can't play back S-VHS and capture it as
> digital on the computer. You can record from the S-Video input on the
> JVC to D-VHS tape, and then move *that* over to the PC. It will only be
> SD, of course, but otherwise it will work.
>
> --
> Jeff Rife | "Ho! Ha, ha! Guard! Turn! Parry!
> SPAM bait: | Dodge! Spin! Ha! Thrust!"
> |
> | -- Daffy Duck, "Robin Hood Daffy"

Ok. Thanks. I kind of figured it would not work. I guess that rules that
out.

[Dave Oldridge]

Del Mibbler > wrote in
:

> Dave Oldridge > wrote:
>
>>Me > wrote in
:
>>
>>>
>>> How do you like that deck? How do you hook it up to you're HD
>>> source?
>>
>>Actually, I don't. At least not unless I can get something to turn
>>component video into IEEE 1394. My HD source is a satellite box that
>>has no 1394 port on it. I just got the deck a couple of days ago,
>>mainly for recording SD in digital form and for playing back some
>>legacy VHS stuff that I have. But, if I could connect it to the PC, I
>>could at least go from the Sat box's Svideo port to digital tape and
>>then use the VCR to edit it onto a DVD image in the computer....
>>
>>The unit will, of course, play back DTheater video tapes in 1080i.
>
> You the only person I've heard of that bought a D-VHS to record SD.
> The MyHD tuner card can save HD transport streams to either a hard
> drive or to a D-VHS over Firewire. Although the JVC 30K can play back
> directly to component, the MyHD can also show tape playback over
> Firewire and output through your computer's video, component or (with
> optional daughter card) DVI. Unfortunately it's not easy to archive
> from disk to tape. Or if it is, I haven't figured out how except by
> trickery.
>
> Some standalone tuners do have Firewire outputs. The LG LST-3410A
> tuner/DVR does, it specifically supports the JVC 30K, and it's very
> easy to archive from disk to tape. It has other problems, both design
> and reliability, but I wouldn't part with mine.

Thanks, I'll keep this in mind and maybe snatch one of these off eBay at
some point. At the moment, OTA reception is not really an option here.
I can get the CBC French channel on channel 14 and that's all she wrote
for analog TV. Digital TV is too far away (Seattle) to be of much help
and the first Vancouver transmitter has yet to fire up. And I see from
the plans that, when they do, it will be low power. Still, I might be
able to deal with that, by putting a UHF antenna on the balcony.


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ICQ 1800667

A false witness is worse than no witness at all.

[Dave Oldridge]

"\"Guest\"" > wrote in
om:

>
>
>
> "Jeff Rife" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Dave Oldridge ) wrote in
>> alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
>> > Anyone here have any experience with connecting the HM-DH30000U
>> > i.LINK
> port
>> > to a PC, either directly or through some intermediate box?
>>
>> I haven't done it myself, but reports say it is easy if:
>>
>> - you have Windows XP as your OS
>> - you have a program on the PC that understands HD and the
>> recorder...the
>> software that comes with the MyHD card does this, but there are
>> others that are free like DVHSTool
>>
>> > What
>> > I'd
> like
>> > to do is make DVD copies of D-VHS tapes (or DVD-ROM copies in the
>> > event
> of
>> > HDTV tapes).
>>
>> With what I listed above, you can get the HD transport stream from
>> the D-VHS to the PC. After that, you need to use some other program
>> to extract the raw MPEG-2 data and convert it to DVD MPEG-2 format
>> (720x480). If you want to save the HD MPEG-2 or transport stream on
>> DVD-R/RW, that's just a normal burn of data files, and is simple.
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Rife | "I've never understood the female capacity to
>> SPAM bait: | avoid a direct answer to any question."
>> |
>> | -- Mr. Spock, "This Side of Paradise"
>
> Is it possible(have you tried?) to playback an S-VHS tape and record
> it out of a digital connection or doe sit have to go analog? In a
> way, if you have to watch it to record it, it does not really matter.
> Any improvements in picture quality on S-VHS tapes?

Well, I don't even have any S-VHS tapes, but it certainly does a superior
job of playing back some of the old pre-recorded VHS stuff that I have
and even some 12-year-old stuff made with my old Fisher HQ deck.

It also has this ET trick for recording S-VHS quality to ordinary VHS
tapes. That seems to work very well, using SVideo in and out for it.

I'm going to try the 1394 stuff as soon as I get a cable long enough to
reach my computer.

--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667

A false witness is worse than no witness at all.

[Dave Oldridge]

Jeff Rife > wrote in
:

> "Guest" ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
>> Is it possible(have you tried?) to playback an S-VHS tape and record
>> it out of a digital connection or doe sit have to go analog?
>
> The JVC D-VHS doesn't send any data out the IEEE-1394 unless the
> source is already digital. So, no, you can't play back S-VHS and
> capture it as digital on the computer. You can record from the
> S-Video input on the JVC to D-VHS tape, and then move *that* over to
> the PC. It will only be SD, of course, but otherwise it will work.

Yes, this is exactly what I want to be able to do! Record from the SVideo
input to D-VHS tape and then edit to my PC using 1394. I have the hardware
and software for this, just need a long enough 1394 cable so I don't have
to move the VCR all the time.

--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667

A false witness is worse than no witness at all.

[\Guest\]

"Dave Oldridge" > wrote in message
9...
> Jeff Rife > wrote in
> :
>
> > "Guest" ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
> >> Is it possible(have you tried?) to playback an S-VHS tape and record
> >> it out of a digital connection or doe sit have to go analog?
> >
> > The JVC D-VHS doesn't send any data out the IEEE-1394 unless the
> > source is already digital. So, no, you can't play back S-VHS and
> > capture it as digital on the computer. You can record from the
> > S-Video input on the JVC to D-VHS tape, and then move *that* over to
> > the PC. It will only be SD, of course, but otherwise it will work.
>
> Yes, this is exactly what I want to be able to do! Record from the SVideo
> input to D-VHS tape and then edit to my PC using 1394. I have the
hardware
> and software for this, just need a long enough 1394 cable so I don't have
> to move the VCR all the time.
>

They only problem with that is you have to watch everything twice, unless
the firewire just tranfers at a high speed without watching. Other than
that, just record from deck to PC. I have done that. The quality is pretty
good. I am glad I invested money in a S-VHS VCR 15 years ago. Now my old
tapes still stand up to todays digital video.

> --
> Dave Oldridge+
> ICQ 1800667
>
> A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
>

[Dave Oldridge]

"\"Guest\"" > wrote in
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>
> "Dave Oldridge" > wrote in message
> 9...
>> Jeff Rife > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > "Guest" ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
>> >> Is it possible(have you tried?) to playback an S-VHS tape and
>> >> record it out of a digital connection or doe sit have to go
>> >> analog?
>> >
>> > The JVC D-VHS doesn't send any data out the IEEE-1394 unless the
>> > source is already digital. So, no, you can't play back S-VHS and
>> > capture it as digital on the computer. You can record from the
>> > S-Video input on the JVC to D-VHS tape, and then move *that* over
>> > to the PC. It will only be SD, of course, but otherwise it will
>> > work.
>>
>> Yes, this is exactly what I want to be able to do! Record from the
>> SVideo input to D-VHS tape and then edit to my PC using 1394. I have
>> the
> hardware
>> and software for this, just need a long enough 1394 cable so I don't
>> have to move the VCR all the time.
>>
>
> They only problem with that is you have to watch everything twice,
> unless the firewire just tranfers at a high speed without watching.
> Other than that, just record from deck to PC. I have done that. The
> quality is pretty good. I am glad I invested money in a S-VHS VCR 15
> years ago. Now my old tapes still stand up to todays digital video.

Actually there's no need to watch. Just set up the spare sat. receiver
to switch to the desired program and set the timer on the tape deck to
make a digital recording of it from the Svideo input. Then later, when
I'm authoring a DVD from what I've compiled on tape, I can edit from the
VCR to the computer. This is what I wanted and, as soon as I get a
longer cable and some digital tapes, I'll be able to try it out.


--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667

A false witness is worse than no witness at all.