Re: Pioneer Introduces World's First DVD Recorders With TiVo Service

[David Z]

I gather that these are stand-alone TiVo's rather than DirecTivo's.
Correct?

- David

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"MegaZone" > wrote in message
...
>
> Sounds great - EXCEPT the MSRP. Ouch. But I may still end up buying
> one.
>
> I have to wonder what the difference between the units is OTHER than
> HD size - $600 for 40GB more? Ummm, gotta be more to it.
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030625/law044_1.html
>
> # LONG BEACH, Calif., June 25 /PRNewswire/ -- Pioneer Electronics
> (USA) Inc., a leader in digital home entertainment products, is
> revolutionizing home video recording with the introduction of the
> world's first DVD recorders featuring the TiVo service. These new
> recorders offer consumers the control provided by the easy-to-use
> TiVo service integrated with advanced DVD recording for the option
> of short-term storage on a hard drive or long-term archival of
> broadcast programming on DVD-R/RW discs.(Logo:
> http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20020628/PIONLOGO )
>
> The Pioneer Elite DVR-57H includes a 120-gigabyte hard disc drive
> while the Pioneer DVR-810H boasts 80 gigabytes of storage space. Both
> models are powered by the TiVo service and offer the ability to:
>
> -- Schedule and record programs while playing a DVD.
> -- Play programs from the hard drive while recording from the
> -- hard drive
> onto a DVD.
> -- Watch a program from the beginning while the recorder
> -- simultaneously
> finishes the recording.
> -- Transfer content at high speeds from the hard drive to a DVD
> -- for
> long-term storage.
>
>
> Both DVD recorders offer DCDi(TM) by Faroudja progressive scan
> circuitry for outstanding image quality when watching DVD movies.
>
> "Pioneer is setting the standard for value-added DVD recorders by
> including the TiVo service with these two new products. Unlike many of
> the original DVD recorders, we're offering effortless operation with
> maximum benefit," said Russ Johnston, senior vice president of
> marketing for home entertainment at Pioneer Electronics (USA)
> Inc. "Consumers will not see this type of innovation from any other
> manufacturer in the near term."
>
> TiVo Service and Recording from Television
>
> Both the DVR-57H and the DVR-810H offer consumers the TiVo Basic(TM)
> service with no monthly fee upfront. Consumers will get DVR
> functionality such as; pausing live TV, recording from the program
> guide, manual repeat recording by time and date and three days of
> program guide data. Consumers can upgrade their TiVo service at any
> time, to include features such as a fourteen-day program guide, Season
> Pass(TM), WishList(TM) and Search by Title.
>
> Both DVD recorders come equipped with a 181-channel cable TV tuner for
> instant one-touch recording to the hard drive. Once the content is
> stored on the hard drive, consumers can transfer the content on to a
> DVD-R/RW disc and navigate the DVD menus using the friendly TiVo
> interface. This is the first product to seamlessly integrate DVD-R/RW
> and TiVo service functionality in one easy to use product.
>
> When a disc is inserted, the recorder automatically searches for
> available recording space. There is no tedious process of finding
> blank space to begin recording as exists with today's VHS
> recorders. Through automatic menus and easy navigation with the
> sophisticated TiVo user interface, consumers can simply locate and
> play a desired portion of the broadcast material instead of
> fast-forwarding and rewinding through videotape.
>
> Transfer Home Movies to DVD
>
> Both units are equipped to transfer old videotapes to longer-lasting
> DVD-R or DVD-RW discs for more permanent storage. By connecting a VCR
> via analog inputs to the DVD recorder, transferring content becomes a
> snap. Unlike videotape, DVD will not degrade over time when exposed to
> heat and humidity. Transferring home movies from tape to disc will
> preserve them for future generations. DVD-R discs are best for
> archiving because they are write-once discs (like CD-R) and cannot be
> accidentally erased. Once a consumer has transferred their videotape
> collection to DVD, the VCR is obsolete.
>
> Create New Home Movies
>
> The DVR-810H and DVR-57H offer analog inputs, enabling consumers to
> connect a camcorder to the DVD recorder for basic transferring
> functions. Once the content from the camcorder is stored onto the hard
> drive, users have the ability to edit the content before burning it to
> DVD. The newly created DVD-R disc can be played back on most other
> automobile, home, portable DVD players and DVD-ROM computer drives.
>
> The DVR-810H and DVR-57H will be available in the fall 2003 with a
> manufacturer's suggested retail price of $1,199 and $1,800
> respectively.
>
> Pioneer's Home Entertainment Division is the leading manufacturer of
> plasma and projection televisions, DVD players and DVD recorders, A/V
> receivers, CD players and CD recorders, speakers and other audio and
> video accessories. Its focus is on the development of new digital
> technologies including Digital Network Entertainment. The company
> markets its products under the Pioneer and Pioneer Elite brand
> names. When purchased from an authorized dealer, consumers receive a
> limited warranty for one year with Pioneer products and two years with
> Pioneer Elite products.
>
> Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc. is headquartered in Long Beach, Calif.,
> and its U.S. Web address is www.pioneerelectronics.com . Its parent
> company, Pioneer Corporation, is a leader in optical disc technology
> and a preeminent manufacturer of high-performance audio, video,
> computer and cable equipment for the home, car and business
> markets. The company focuses on four core business domains including
> DVD, display technologies, Digital Network Entertainment and
> components. Founded in 1938 in Tokyo, Pioneer Corporation employs more
> than 34,000 people worldwide. Its shares are traded on the New York
> Stock Exchange (NYSE: PIO - News).
>
> For further information, please contact: Aaron Levine of Pioneer
> Electronics (USA) Inc., +1-310-952-2401,
> ; or Julie Jaqua, +1-323-761-7405, , for Pioneer
> Electronics (USA) Inc.
>
>
> Source: Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc.
>
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[machinehead]

"MegaZone" > wrote in message
...
>
> Sounds great - EXCEPT the MSRP. Ouch. But I may still end up buying
> one.
>
> I have to wonder what the difference between the units is OTHER than
> HD size - $600 for 40GB more? Ummm, gotta be more to it.

The more expensive one is branded "Pioneer Elite" while the other is not;
that generally designates their higher-end (audio/video-phile grade) stuff.
I would hope that it takes more than a bigger HDD to earn that label, but I
can't say for sure. Hopefully, these will fall to a reasonable price at
some point, but who knows...the standalone CD recorders are still way above
a PC CD-R drive, so maybe not.

Ed

[MegaZone]

"David Z" > shaped the electrons to say:
>I gather that these are stand-alone TiVo's rather than DirecTivo's.
>Correct?

Yeah, the description certainly sounds like a standalone.

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[Ima]

In article >,
(MegaZone) wrote:

> The DVR-810H and DVR-57H will be available in the fall 2003 with a
> manufacturer's suggested retail price of $1,199 and $1,800
> respectively.



VAPORWARE !!. Incorrect title for News Release. Pioneer announces
units. Pioneer did not introduce units if they are not available for
purchase.

[MegaZone]

Ima > shaped the electrons to say:
>VAPORWARE !!. Incorrect title for News Release. Pioneer announces
>units. Pioneer did not introduce units if they are not available for
>purchase.

So you don't believe they exist?

If they're coming out this fall, I'd be shocked if they weren't in
testers' hands already.

How much would you like to wager?

-MZ, CISSP #3762, RHCE #806199299900541
--
> Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer, me..
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-755-4098
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[Ima]

In article >,
(MegaZone) wrote:

> Ima > shaped the electrons to say:
> >VAPORWARE !!. Incorrect title for News Release. Pioneer announces
> >units. Pioneer did not introduce units if they are not available for
> >purchase.
>
> So you don't believe they exist?
>
> If they're coming out this fall, I'd be shocked if they weren't in
> testers' hands already.
>
> How much would you like to wager?
>
> -MZ, CISSP #3762, RHCE #806199299900541


One or two handmade units may exist, but they dont exist yet as a
factory built item or BestBuy would carry them already. Pioneer is
reinventing the English language by saying they are introducing an item
they are merely demonstrating a demo unit of.


Rule #1 in High tech. Don't buy promises.

[MegaZone]

Ima > shaped the electrons to say:
>One or two handmade units may exist, but they dont exist yet as a
>factory built item or BestBuy would carry them already. Pioneer is

Sounds like you haven't had experience in HW manufacturing. Having
worked for HW vendors, I'd lay money on there being pre-production
(not 'handmade') units out now, and probably several thousand of them,
based on the expected street date.

You have to start low rate initial production to work out any kinks on
production, and to produce enough units for meaningful testing. So
you have to distribute units to a number of testers - and from TiVo
Pony's posts on TiVo Community it sounds like that's happened. Then
you need to fill the channel with product WELL BEFORE street date.
The units are almost certainly made in Asia, so they take a freighter
across the Pacific (no way do they sping for air freight on this kind
of shipment, unless it is a holiday season rush order), then they have
to be distributed through the sales channels.

Based on a 'fall 2003' street date, which invariably means
'pre-holiday shopping season' for consumer electronics, and the fact
that it is July, I'd bet the line is already setup and probably
producing product at this point for stock.

>reinventing the English language by saying they are introducing an item
>they are merely demonstrating a demo unit of.

This isn't a reinvention, the exact same language has been used by
countless vendors, in many fields, for decades. You never wait for a
product to be on shelves before announcing it - that hurts sales. You
want people to know it is coming, it also spreads the word in the
industry so retailers know what is coming and can plan, etc.

-MZ, CISSP #3762, RHCE #806199299900541
--
> Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer, me..
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-755-4098
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[Ima]

WRONG - It matters not if they are producing a few of this item yet.
There are zero available for sale, so the term INTRODUCE is incorrect.
And often the channel is not filled before introduction, as a "shortage"
makes the item falsely appear to be highly in demand. (Microsoft did
that with Xbox)


In article >,
(MegaZone) wrote:

> Ima > shaped the electrons to say:
> >One or two handmade units may exist, but they dont exist yet as a
> >factory built item or BestBuy would carry them already. Pioneer is
>
> Sounds like you haven't had experience in HW manufacturing. Having
> worked for HW vendors, I'd lay money on there being pre-production
> (not 'handmade') units out now, and probably several thousand of them,
> based on the expected street date.
>
> You have to start low rate initial production to work out any kinks on
> production, and to produce enough units for meaningful testing. So
> you have to distribute units to a number of testers - and from TiVo
> Pony's posts on TiVo Community it sounds like that's happened. Then
> you need to fill the channel with product WELL BEFORE street date.
> The units are almost certainly made in Asia, so they take a freighter
> across the Pacific (no way do they sping for air freight on this kind
> of shipment, unless it is a holiday season rush order), then they have
> to be distributed through the sales channels.
>
> Based on a 'fall 2003' street date, which invariably means
> 'pre-holiday shopping season' for consumer electronics, and the fact
> that it is July, I'd bet the line is already setup and probably
> producing product at this point for stock.
>
> >reinventing the English language by saying they are introducing an item
> >they are merely demonstrating a demo unit of.
>
> This isn't a reinvention, the exact same language has been used by
> countless vendors, in many fields, for decades. You never wait for a
> product to be on shelves before announcing it - that hurts sales. You
> want people to know it is coming, it also spreads the word in the
> industry so retailers know what is coming and can plan, etc.
>
> -MZ, CISSP #3762, RHCE #806199299900541

[Ken Alverson]

"Ima" > wrote in message
...
> WRONG - It matters not if they are producing a few of this item yet.
> There are zero available for sale, so the term INTRODUCE is incorrect.
> And often the channel is not filled before introduction, as a "shortage"
> makes the item falsely appear to be highly in demand. (Microsoft did
> that with Xbox)

Or it really means demand is outstripping production ability. (or that the
manufacturer didn't properly prepare for the demand before release)

As I remember it, Xbox wasn't in terribly short supply. Maybe the first few
weeks, but after a month or so they were readily available to those who wanted
them. Certainly nothing like the Playstation 2 release debacle.

Ken

[MegaZone]

Ima > shaped the electrons to say:
>WRONG - It matters not if they are producing a few of this item yet.
>There are zero available for sale, so the term INTRODUCE is incorrect.

You must use a different dictionary.

-MZ, CISSP #3762, RHCE #806199299900541
--
> Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer, me..
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-755-4098
<URL:http://www.megazone.org/> <URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/> Eris