football card question

[THAT FUNKY MONKEY]

can u tell me a little about these? what are they worth?
thanks
brian

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3046554074&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1

[Bao H. Lammy]

"THAT FUNKY MONKEY" > wrote
> can u tell me a little about these? what are they worth?
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3046554074&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1

I don't know everything about DirecTV-TiVo combo boxes, that's
for sure, but I thought that even when they did offer "lifetime"
subscriptions to TiVo that it was for the lifetime of the DirecTV
account, not the recorder itself. So, I don't see how the seller
could be offereing a recorder that has lifetime TiVo service.

Maybe it's a unit hacked to steal service from TiVo? And in case
you were confused, the seller wrote "UltimateTV" in the description
somewhere, so it doesn't seem to me that they know a lot about
what they are selling. UltimateTV is a competitor to DirecTV-TiVo
combo boxes and it's made by Microsoft.

Finally, the seller has an eBay feedback rating of only (1). I'd avoid
this auction based on that factor alone, particularly for a high-ticket
item. (I might consider bidding a couple bucks on an auction run by
a (1) rated seller if the item in question was very cheap, like a couple
bucks...not $350+.)

[THAT FUNKY MONKEY]

um ya i am the one selling this... and my rating of 1 is cause i dont
use it much.. thanks

[Bao H. Lammy]

"THAT FUNKY MONKEY" > wrote
> um ya i am the one selling this...

Then the answer's really easy: It's worth however much someone
is willing to pay you for it.


> and my rating of 1 is cause i dont use it much.. thanks

Everyone starts out at 0 on eBay...the higher you can get that
number, the more people will take your auctions seriously, of
course.

p.s. Care to explain how this recorder has lifetime TiVo service?
I'm not 100% familiar with TiVo pricing on the combo units.

[Rod Smith]

In article >,
"Bao H. Lammy" > writes:
>
> "THAT FUNKY MONKEY" > wrote
>> can u tell me a little about these? what are they worth?
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3046554074&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1
>
> I thought that even when they did offer "lifetime"
> subscriptions to TiVo that it was for the lifetime of the DirecTV
> account, not the recorder itself. So, I don't see how the seller
> could be offereing a recorder that has lifetime TiVo service.

It used to be that TiVo sold lifetime subscriptions and they were tied to
the receiver; however, a bit under a year ago, DirecTV took over tighter
control of the TiVo side of DirecTiVo units, and they changed it so that
the lifetime service is tied to the account, not the hardware, while
eliminating lifetime service as an option for new DirecTiVo users. Thus,
eBay auctions advertising lifetime service almost always fall into one of
two categories: Those who've hacked the units to "steal" lifetime service
and those who've completely ignored the online discussions and letters
from DirecTV that describe the change. In the former case, an honest
buyer may or may not realize what's going on, but if/when such a buyer
learns, s/he will be annoyed. In the latter case, a buyer will be very
annoyed, because the lifetime service won't be available. The hacked
units can usually be spotted by the presence of phrases like "privacy
assured" or "no phone line required."

That said, I have heard of one very specific case in which the lifetime
service can be legitimately tied back to the DirecTiVo hardware for
transfer to a new owner: When the seller completely closes the DirecTV
account. This isn't just removing the receiver from the account, or
removing all DirecTiVos from the account; it's completely closing the
DirecTV account. When the new owner activates the receiver, the lifetime
service gets tied back to the account. I've seen this claim from a couple
of online sources, but I can't verify it from personal experience.

> the seller wrote "UltimateTV" in the description
> somewhere, so it doesn't seem to me that they know a lot about
> what they are selling.

The description also has a lot of sentences that lack periods, sentence
fragments, etc. There's also a reference to future software updates,
which are almost certainly not going to happen. It looks to me like the
seller cut-and-pasted a description that had been formatted as a bulleted
list and didn't bother to clean it up. Perhaps the original description
was from an online retailer or some such (some of them have been known to
confuse DirecTiVos and UltimateTVs).

--
Rod Smith,
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux, FreeBSD, and networking

[Ted]

I have seen plenty of auctions on ebay go for more than retail price for a
new item... Ebay isn't always the cheaps and sometimes people just bid it up
to win...


"Bao H. Lammy" > wrote in message
...
> "THAT FUNKY MONKEY" > wrote
> > um ya i am the one selling this...
>
> Then the answer's really easy: It's worth however much someone
> is willing to pay you for it.
>
>
> > and my rating of 1 is cause i dont use it much.. thanks
>
> Everyone starts out at 0 on eBay...the higher you can get that
> number, the more people will take your auctions seriously, of
> course.
>
> p.s. Care to explain how this recorder has lifetime TiVo service?
> I'm not 100% familiar with TiVo pricing on the combo units.
>
>

[tooloud]

Ted wrote:
> I have seen plenty of auctions on ebay go for more than retail price
> for a new item... Ebay isn't always the cheaps and sometimes people
> just bid it up to win...

I hear this all the time. Yes, it's true--eBay is full of the same different
types of people you'll find in the real world. There are honest folks, shady
guys, morons, and assholes. I don't know why so many people expect it to be
different than anything else.

<snip>

--
tooloud
Remove nothing to reply...

[Phill.]

In article >,
"tooloud" > wrote:

> Ted wrote:
> > I have seen plenty of auctions on ebay go for more than retail price
> > for a new item... Ebay isn't always the cheaps and sometimes people
> > just bid it up to win...
>
> I hear this all the time. Yes, it's true--eBay is full of the same different
> types of people you'll find in the real world. There are honest folks, shady
> guys, morons, and assholes. I don't know why so many people expect it to be
> different than anything else.

When I bought my Tivo units, I sold my old Sony A2 and B2 on eBay and
apparently folks were buying them to take the card and throw away the
unit.

[SINNER]

* tooloud Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo, on Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:36:58 -0500:
> Ted wrote:
>> I have seen plenty of auctions on ebay go for more than retail price
>> for a new item... Ebay isn't always the cheaps and sometimes people
>> just bid it up to win...

> I hear this all the time. Yes, it's true--eBay is full of the same different
> types of people you'll find in the real world. There are honest folks, shady
> guys, morons, and assholes. I don't know why so many people expect it to be
> different than anything else.

In this case, Ebay is part of the problem though. They dont police it
properly and its not really an auction in the true sense of the word,
an auction dosent end until bids stop, not at a specified time. The
whole concept is very misleading and sucks for newbies. Its a very Seedy
place in general and much worse then real life. Most people that pull
the crap they pull on Ebay would never have the balls to do in real
life, much like Usenet.

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